So what pollen does to the brain is make things fuzzy and they get lost in the sulcus-scape. This is a thread I lost three weeks ago that I wanted to follow up on – an article by Dr. Steven Hyman, former Director of the NIMH [see Psychiatric Drug Development: Diagnosing a Crisis, whither the crisis…, notwithstanding…, the biggest point…, Walk the Walk]. Like so many of his colleagues, he was talking about the crisis in the development of psychiatric drugs. In the article, he seems to be blaming the "forced swim test," an animal model used to evaluate drugs for antidepressant properties, for some of the lack of progress. A reminder:
Psychiatric Drug Development: Diagnosing a Crisis
The Dana Foundation: Cerebrum
By Steven E. Hyman
April 02, 2013
The antidepressant drug imipramine prolongs the period during which the rat attempts to swim. This forced swim assay was rationalized with anthropomorphic terms such as “behavioral despair,” but it was never shown to model human depression… Despite some degree of surface plausibility — the forced swim result seemed to mimic learned helplessness, a putative model of depression — the mechanism by which imipramine causes continued swimming is still not known. Moreover, imipramine increases the duration of swimming with a single dose, whereas depressed human beings generally require several weeks of treatment before therapeutic effects emerge… From the very beginning, however, astute scientists predicted that this approach to drug development would result in the identification of only “me too” drugs. Unfortunately, during the last 50 years that concern has been fully borne out…
This was not a new point for Dr. Hyman. He’d made it in a review article with Eric Nester in 2010 and had mentioned it in a variety of recent presentations:
Animal models of neuropsychiatric disorders.
by Nestler EJ and Hyman SE.
Nature Neuroscience. 2010 13(10):1161-9.
Modeling of human neuropsychiatric disorders in animals is extremely challenging given the subjective nature of many symptoms, the lack of biomarkers and objective diagnostic tests, and the early state of the relevant neurobiology and genetics. Nonetheless, progress in understanding pathophysiology and in treatment development would benefit greatly from improved animal models. Here we review the current state of animal models of mental illness, with a focus on schizophrenia, depression and bipolar disorder. We argue for areas of focus that might increase the likelihood of creating more useful models, at least for some disorders, and for explicit guidelines when animal models are reported.
The comment stuck with me for an odd reason. I had talked to a friend a few weeks back who has been pretty depressed for a while, and there’s an obvious situational component – one that’s genuinely unresolvable. She wanted to try an antidepressant, and had started on an SSRI. At about three weeks, she spontaneously told me, "It’s helping." I asked her how she knew. She’d been shopping and picked out a bunch of things, obsessed about whether they were the right things, then she thought, "Oh it doesn’t matter anyway" and went home empty-handed. At this point I’m wondering how this story is about the medication helping. Then she said, "But then I got in the car and went right back and got them! That’s what I do when I’m depressed – I give up." It was a story that stuck with me since then – giving up. That is what depressed people do in reactive depressions, they give up [sometimes before they even get started], and become immobile. Obsessing like that has always been her M.O., but she could tell that the medication was helping her overcome it like she was used to doing – more her normal. And in the weeks that have followed, her overall improvement has been visible to all of us. If it’s a placebo effect, viva placebo! But I don’t think so. And it made me think of the Porsolt Test [the forced swim test] that had probably been used to screen her antidepressant back in its infancy:
Behavioural despair in rats: a new model sensitive to antidepressant treatments
by R.D. PORSOLT, G. ANTON, N. BLAVET and M. JALFRE
Centre de Recherche Delalande, Rueil-Malmaison, France
European Journal of Pharmacology. 1978 47:379-391.
[commentary on-line]
Abstract: Rats when forced to swim in a cylinder from which they cannot escape will, after an initial period of vigorous activity, adopt a characteristic immobile posture which can be readily identified. Immobility was reduced by various clinically effective antidepressant drugs at doses which otherwise decreased spontaneous motor activity in an open field. Antidepressants could thus be distinguished from psychostimulants which decreased immobility at doses which increased general activity. Anxiolytic compounds did not affect immobility whereas major tranquilisers enhanced it. Immobility was also reduced by electroconvulsive shock, REM sleep deprivation and "enrichment" of the environment. It was concluded that immobility reflects a state of lowered mood in the rat which is selectively sensitive to antidepressant treatments. Positive findings with atypical antidepressant drugs such as iprindole and mianserin suggest that the method may be capable of discovering new antidepressants hitherto undetectable with classical pharmacological tests.
Open-space forced swim model of depression for mice.
by Stone EA and Lin Y
Current Protocols in Neuroscience. 2011 Jan;Chapter 9:Unit9.36.
[full text on-line]
This protocol describes a simplified method for inducing a chronic depression-like state in mice that is based on the repeated open-space forced swim method originally developed for rats. The method consists of mice swimming daily in lukewarm water in rat tub cages, for 15 min/day for 4 days, and thereafter once per week. This procedure produces a progressive decrease in distance swum and a concomitant increase in immobility [floating] in ∼70% of the mice, both of which persist unaltered for weeks. The model has predictive, face, and construct validity and has a number of advantages over previous methods in that it utilizes very mild stress, is short in duration, and is easily standardized. Moreover, since it utilizes a greater swimming area than the traditional [Porsolt] method it can be used to study interactions of depressive behavior with behavioral flexibility and perseveration…
Certainly no one would choose me as an advocate for the current drugs or the forced swim test used to screen candidate neurochemicals. But reading through the literature on that test and its evolution, I was impressed that a lot of people had put a good deal of solid scientific work into it. In his criticism, Dr. Hyman actually ignored the advances with the model in simulating chronicity and the expected lag time for a therapeutic effect from antidepressants. He characterized it as a mere neurobiological tool rather than a disease model [I think my friend might disagree with him]. He points us towards the future for more human·depression-like animal models informed by [you guessed it] genomics, neuroimaging, and deep brain stimulation. It feels like he’s looking for a scape·goat [scape·rat?] to me.
My reaction to Dr. Hyman is the same as it has been to Dr. Insel. For the last several years, they and an army of others have been critical of the previous approaches to drug development, the current drugs, and neuropsychiatric research. They have a cornucopia of reasons things haven’t gone better and suggestions for future directions. But back in those days they now criticize, they were in charge! it was their show! It was Hyman’s NIMH [and much of what he did was initiate an era of NIMH Drug Trials: STAR*D, CATIE, etc]. Why wasn’t he pushing for better animal models then? As late as 2007, he was advocating for integrating neurobiology into the DSM-V. Then from 2002, Insel was the Elmer Gantry of neuroscience, speaking of recent advances at every opportunity and laying out his 2005 timetable aiming for clinical neuroscience nirvana [Psychiatry as a Clinical Neuroscience Discipline]. Where have his drug development initiatives been? They both have been champions for translational science without generating anything much to translate.
Nice job as always Mickey. Made me think. This time lag effect with ssri ‘s in some, but not all patients. See
http://impactiviti.wordpress.com/2006/09/29/clearing-clouds/
“Within 2 days”!
A recent serendipitous step forward in depression also made me wonder:
http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=668195
Why might there be a sub group of depressed people who respond differently (faster) to treatments?
Theoretically an ssri can have an impact on anxiety in approx 4 hours.
see: http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/194/6/535
see a MNT article here: http://www.medicalnewstoday .com/articles/192750.php
I noticed a feeling very much like taking a xanax at roughly 4 hours after I took an SSRI. But it gave me unblinking insomnia, so I stopped taking it. Also, my experience of xanax was that, while it was great to learn what the feeling of not being anxious was like, the rebound anxiety was about 3 times worse and took about 2 days to mostly dissipate. (What I mean is I think it made me a bit leery of continuing the drug.)
Oh, and my bet is that I am an unexpected shocks rat and (thus) a socially isolated (via my own avoidant behavior) rat.
The “giving up” or “learned helplessness” response in depression is why Behavioral Activation has proven to be such an effective treatment.
Have ya’ll seen the rat laughing while being tickled?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=rat-tickling-did-you-ever-wonder-wheter-rats-laugh
Perhaps rats are sentient enough to also feel despair in the face of human cruelty. Rats are cheaper than monkeys who are more like humans than rats are, but such cruelty would also be more obvious when applied to primates.
In this world, sometimes we do need and benefit from a drug that will keep us swimming in a situation that is hopeless or in which we feel hopeless until someone or something plucks us from it; but I see no long-term benefit from simply labeling that despair “depression” and prescribing a drug for it for a population while telling the patient that they have a life-long medical condition.
Regardless of what your friend was suffering from, to treat a large population as if they have a medical condition with drugs that were first tested by torturing rats, is a little maddening to me.
To paraphrase ‘The Treasure of Sierra Madre’ –
Science?
We ain’t got no science.
We don’t need no science.
We don’t have to show you no stinkin’ science!
Ha!
Duane
Science –
http://www.nasa.gov/
Duane
I’m sorry, I cannot accept that scientists can truly read the minds of rats and ascertain they are suffering from a human emotion. This is projection of the most self-serving sort.
As for why antidepressants sometimes take a while to take effect: They tend to be stimulating, and they tend to disrupt normal autonomic homeostasis (cf sleep disruption, dizziness, palpitations, etc.). For some people, it takes some time for a new homeostasis to incorporate the influence of the drug. For others, the stimulating effect is felt sooner.
I recently discussed the difference between cardiologists and a psychiatrists with a doctor friend. Our conclusion: Cardiologists know the autonomic nervous system exists. We had a good laugh over that.