still ahead of us…

Posted on Thursday 23 April 2009

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth, upon this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met here on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of it as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But in a larger sense we can not dedicate – we can not consecrate – we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled, here, have consecrated it far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember, what we say here, but can never forget what they did here.

It is for us, the living, rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they have, thus far, so nobly carried on. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

So here we sit after a couple of centuries dealing with the same question. Do we honor those who died in the attack on New York by staying dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal? Or do we decide that our attackers are not worthy of being treated as fellow human beings because of what they did? Lincoln struggled with that himself. He hated Slavery, yet he suspended habeas corpus for the prisoners of war – a fact Dick Cheney has brought up more than once. On the other hand, he opposed retribution on the Southerners after the Civil War. And he certainly did not have a torture policy nor a John Yoo writing memos to cover his ass. And as the Civil War wore on, there were powerful anti-war forces paradoxically and ambivalently lead by Lincoln’s General:

    George Brinton McClellan was a major general during the American Civil War. He organized the famous Army of the Potomac and served briefly as the general-in-chief of the Union Army. Early in the war, McClellan played an important role in raising a well-trained and organized army for the Union. However, although McClellan was meticulous in his planning and preparations, these attributes may have hampered his ability to challenge aggressive opponents in a fast-moving battlefield environment. He chronically overestimated the strength of enemy units and was reluctant to apply principles of mass, frequently leaving large portions of his army unengaged at decisive points.

    McClellan’s Peninsula Campaign in 1862 ended in failure, with retreats from attacks by General Robert E. Lee’s smaller army and an unfulfilled plan to seize the Confederate capital of Richmond. His performance at the bloody Battle of Antietam blunted Lee’s invasion of Maryland, but allowed Lee to eke out a precarious tactical draw and avoid destruction, despite being outnumbered. As a result, McClellan’s leadership skills during battles were questioned by U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, who eventually removed him from command, first as general-in-chief, then from the Army of the Potomac. Lincoln was famously quoted as saying, "If General McClellan does not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it for a time." Despite this, he was the most popular of that army’s commanders with its soldiers, who felt that he had their morale and well-being as paramount concerns.

    General McClellan also failed to maintain the trust of Lincoln, and proved to be frustratingly insubordinate to the commander-in-chief. After he was relieved of command, McClellan became the unsuccessful Democratic nominee opposing Lincoln in the 1864 presidential election. His party had an anti-war platform, promising to end the war and negotiate with the Confederacy, which McClellan was forced to repudiate, damaging the effectiveness of his campaign…

Like Bush, Lincoln had a "surge" with political overtones. He was not necessarily electable for a second term, so he issued the Emancipation Proclamation to free the slaves [in case he lost the Presidency]. Then came his "surge" with Sherman marching through Atlanta and on to the coast – and Lincoln was re-elected on a wave of enthusiasm after the Battle of Atlanta. Like today, it’s a story of ambivalence and politics, yet we revere Lincoln. We will not revere Dick Cheney. The difference is not that Lincoln was a better orator, nor is it in the things he did. He played the game of politics too. Just like Dick Cheney, he wanted his way even when he wasn’t supported by the majority. But we all know what the difference is, even though we might falter with a precise explanation. Abraham Lincoln was a person of principle who saw something morally abhorrent, something incompatible with the very basis on which this country was founded. While he did bend some of our laws, no one argues that he missed any point of the American experiment.

For the years from 2000 through 2008, we heard the same kind of rhetoric – patriotism, defending America, the "Axis of Evil." We were told that every one of the huge decisions being made was done with our best interests at heart. We went to war with Iraq because Saddam Hussein was an immediate threat with nuclear and biological weapons pointed our way. We were told that Joseph Wilson’s questioning the prewar intelligence was motivated by a junket set up by his wife. We were told that Domestic Surveillance wasn’t being abused and was good for us. We were told that we didn’t torture people. We were also told that the things that looked like torture were for our national security. We were told that DoJ Attorneys were fired "just because." Everything that was done was Lincoln-esque, they said. We were honoring the fallen.

Well, the Taliban is now marching on the capital of Pakistan. If bin Laden has survived his diabetes, he’s holed up in the Pakistani bad-lands. Iraq is still smoldering. All of the things they told us were good for us haven’t turned out as they said. If there was an "Axis of Evil," they went after the wrong one. It’s turning out that the motive for our torturing prisoners was to get them to confirm something that wasn’t actually true – that Hussein was behind 911. Now we’re reading memos that say the unspeakable torture by the C.I.A. was consistent with "a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." Any school child would know that is absolute baloney. Frankly, I’d rather hear that we tortured people because we were mad at them than to hear we were trying to get them to confirm the Bush Administration’s reasons for going to war.

Abraham Lincoln said, "It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us – that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here gave the last full measure of devotion – that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain; that this nation shall have a new birth of freedom; and that this government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." I believe he meant just that. And I have something of the same feeling about the people who died in the 9/11 attack on New York. We ran the Taliban out of Afghanistan. Now they’re coming back, not just to Afghanistan but they’re marching on Islamabad. And they are as dangerous to Iraq and Iran as they are to us. They dehumanize the people in their wake just as they dehumanized those New Yorkers.

Our government failed us in many ways in these last eight years, not the least of which was a failure to deal with our real enemy. They made up the fight they wanted to fight, and avoided the one that needed fighting. They macerated our Constitution, and in the process validated the insane view this particular enemy has of us. We had a Lincoln-esque moment, and we missed it. We lost 3000+ in New York. We’ve lost 4000+ more in the Middle East. We’ve lost a big piece of our soul. Now, we have an enormous domestic problem – one largely caused by our own government’s fiscal short-sightedness and mismanagement. And we still face an enemy – the Taliban and al Qaeda – that reins unchecked in the uncivilized regions of the Middle East.

McClellan was afraid to engage the enemy. Lincoln was not. Bush and Cheney were [in my opinion] afraid to engage the real enemy. Now it falls on our new young President and a former President’s wife to decide how to fight the fight that Bush and Cheney avoided, while dealing with the carnage of their predecessor’s duplicity and incompetence at home.  And the unforgettable words of Lincoln are now more than something for the history books or holidays. The real war, a Lincoln-esque war, seems to me to be still ahead of us…
Mickey @ 9:02 PM

it is about who or what we are…

Posted on Wednesday 22 April 2009


Zelikow’s Destroyed Memos
By emptywheel on Philip Zelikow

Last night, as I was beginning my catalog of the interrogation reports used in the 9/11 Report, the former Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission was on Rachel Maddow, elaborating on his Foreign Policy article where he revealed how the Bush Administration destroyed his objections to the May 2005 Bradbury Memos.

Anonymous Liberal had a very good take on Zelikow’s story (which basically matches what bmaz said to me via email). The destruction of Zelikow’s memos is clear evidence of criminality.
    That’s an incredibly damning allegation. The only reason to collect and destroy all copies of this memo would be in order to preserve, for as many Bush administration officials as possible, a potential defense against later prosecution. If the extent of these activities ever became public and investigations were commenced, the White House wanted to be able to argue that everyone involved relied in good faith on the advice of counsel. That defense would be severely undermined if it could be shown that these officials were warned, by a lawyer of Zelikow’s caliber and rank within the administration, that the legal arguments they were relying on were poorly reasoned and unlikely to be sustained by a court.

    This was pure CYA. And it was being done for reasons beyond the potential for political fallout. It was done in order to preserve the illusion of good faith reliance on OLC advice in the event of future criminal prosecutions. This is yet another reason why a special prosecutor needs to be appointed. While I agree with the decision by Eric Holder not to pursue prosecutions against CIA officials who relied in good faith on OLC advice (and did not exceed the scope of that advice), it is becoming increasingly clear that there were people (likely high ranking intelligence officials and people in the White House) who were explicitly warned (likely repeatedly) of the shoddy and highly dubious nature of the OLC’s advice. These folks should not be entitled to any presumption of good faith reliance. They need to be investigated. The attempt to scrub Zelikow’s memo from the record looks to me like an act of criminal conspiracy intended to preserve plausible deniability about the illegal nature of various government activities.

    UPDATE: The expunging of Zelikow’s memo from the record is not the only thing the Bush administration has done to hinder the possibility of prosecution. Remember that all the tapes of these interrogations were destroyed or went missing at around the same time. I doubt that’s a coincidence.
Zelikow doesn’t make AL’s point as explicitly as AL does: he says only that they’ll have to explain why they destroyed those memos and doesn’t think about the maintenance of plausible deniability for the torturers. But it’s a good question. So who’s going to ask that question?

I first gained access to the OLC memos and learned details about CIA’s program for high-value detainees shortly after the set of opinions were issued in May 2005. I did so as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s policy representative to the NSC Deputies Committee on these and other intelligence/terrorism issues. In the State Department, Secretary Rice and her Legal Adviser, John Bellinger, were then the only other individuals briefed on these details. In compliance with the security agreements I have signed, I have never discussed or disclosed any substantive details about the program until the classified information has been released.

Having been the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, I’m aware of what some of these captives did. The Commission wondered how captives were questioned (for details on that, see this previously disclosed report), and the matter is now the subject of a federal criminal investigation by special prosecutor John Durham. Nonetheless, the evidence against most – if not all – of the high-value detainees remains damning. But the issue is not about who or what they are. It is about who or what we are.

At the time, in 2005, I circulated an opposing view of the legal reasoning. My bureaucratic position, as counselor to the secretary of state, didn’t entitle me to offer a legal opinion. But I felt obliged to put an alternative view in front of my colleagues at other agencies, warning them that other lawyers (and judges) might find the OLC views unsustainable. My colleagues were entitled to ignore my views. They did more than that:  The White House attempted to collect and destroy all copies of my memo. I expect that one or two are still at least in the State Department’s archives. 

Stated in a shorthand way, mainly for the benefit of other specialists who work these issues, my main concerns were:
  • the case law on the "shocks the conscience" standard for interrogations would proscribe the CIA’s methods;
  • the OLC memo basically ignored standard 8th Amendment "conditions of confinement" analysis (long incorporated into the 5th amendment as a matter of substantive due process and thus applicable to detentions like these). That case law would regard the conditions of confinement in the CIA facilities as unlawful.
  • the use of a balancing test to measure constitutional validity (national security gain vs. harm to individuals) is lawful for some techniques, but other kinds of cruel treatment should be barred categorically under U.S. law – whatever the alleged gain.
The underlying absurdity of the administration’s position can be summarized this way. Once you get to a substantive compliance analysis for "cruel, inhuman, and degrading" you get the position that the substantive standard is the same as it is in analogous U.S. constitutional law. So the OLC must argue, in effect, that the methods and the conditions of confinement in the CIA program could constitutionally be inflicted on American citizens in a county jail. 

In other words, Americans in any town of this country could constitutionally be hung from the ceiling naked, sleep deprived, water-boarded, and all the rest – if the alleged national security justification was compelling. I did not believe our federal courts could reasonably be expected to agree with such a reading of the Constitution.  
The thing that’s beginning to dawn on me is that President Bush and the Supreme Vice President Cheney seems to have actually believed they could get away with this torture thing. And as it began to dribble out, they apparently thought they could bring off their "bad apple" explanation of Abu Ghraib. and we’d buy it. And then there’s a damning McClatchie article [Abusive tactics used to seek Iraq-al Qaida link] that suggests that the outrageous repetition of the waterboarding [83, 183 times] was directed by Cheney and Rumsfeld in order to get a particular piece of information – that al Qaeda was tied to Hussein. That’s not a search for "Intelligence." That’s an after-the-fact attempt to justify their invading Iraq without a Cassus Belli. And then there’s this, the Levin Report [take a look at pp. 39-43 for starters].

The story is finally fleshing out. The Bushies came into office dead set on attacking Iraq. Motives? Probably a combination of the "tough on Communism" mentality, the "military-industrial complex," and access to Middle Eastern oil fields [with a dash of Israeli-backed fervor]. They saw 9/11 as a chance to go start their war and developed the WMD/al Qaeda story as a cover. When there were no WMD’s nor al Qaeda ties, they did everything possible to keep the myth alive – outing a C.I.A. Agent, lying, reframing the War, destroying tapes and memos, secrecy, trying to torture a confirming story out of prisoners – all the while being mindful to develop as many C.Y.A. strategies as they could muster.

For me, it was the third grade [Mrs. D.]. I told so many whoppers about the fate of my homework or having completed the boring worksheets from her "ditto" machine, that I lost track of yesterday’s version. Like many, I figured out that it was not the right way to go with life. Lying was just too hard, and it just didn’t work – at least not in the long run. I could tell Mrs. D. was onto my stories and I backed off. As fate would have it, several years later, I moved and Mrs. D. lived around the corner. in my new neighborhood. I tried to avoid her, but sooner or later I found myself sitting on her front porch. To my surprise, instead of it being a Judgement at Nuremberg moment, when I tried to broach the subject of my failed attempt at becoming a sociopath in her third grade class, she laughed a good laugh and said, "You learned a whole lot that year." And she was right. I did learn a lot.

I’m pretty sure that neither Bush nor Cheney had a Mrs. D. experience…
Mickey @ 11:52 PM

what a guy!

Posted on Wednesday 22 April 2009

If you feel like you’re getting behind on the Torture story, emptywheel is full of information and analysis in this series of recent posts – the top one being particularly damning. I find it hard to maintain any distance. The torture part is hard enough, because it’s clear that they didn’t know when to throw in the towel once they got on this path. Cheney seems determined to justify the program [even though he’d probably be better advised to keep his mouth shut and spend more time at home on the ranch]. But if you lay out the timeline of things, it’s clear that they kept going, kept getting more and more justification as time went on.

I think all of this would be more palatable if it was only soon after 9/11 – the heat of the moment. But it continued in spite of a lot of resistance. The word "perseveration" comes to mind. It’s something demented people do – get stuck on something and keep at it ad nauseum. I feel the same way about their Iraq War. It was a bad idea to start with. But they kept at it as if it had become a cause unto itself disconnected from any previous meaning.The unwarranted Domestic Surveillance fit the same scenario – persisting no matter what objections were raised.

Which brings me to my Senator, Saxby Chambliss. What a guy!
GOP: WH ‘overstepped their bounds’
Monday, April 20, 2009
by Domenico Montanaro

Senate Republican Saxby Chambliss, a member of the Intelligence and Armed Services committees, today said in the effort to embarrass former President Bush, the Obama administration "overstepped their bounds" in releasing interrogation memos last week. 

"It seems that this administration looks for every opportunity they can to seek to embarrass the previous administration,” Chambliss said at a news conference. “And I think this is one time they really overstepped their bounds."

Citing the fact that there hasn’t been a terrorist attack on U.S. soil since 9/11, Chambliss added, "Whatever the previous administration did, under the guise of the legal opinions that the Justice Department issued, it’s worked. And the American people have a great appreciation for that."

He added, "There are some things that when you operate in the cloak-and-dagger world of the intelligence community that need to remain in the intelligence community"…
Somehow, talking about Obama overstepping bounds in the face of the boundlessness of the Bush/Cheney experience seems too absurd to even contemplate…
Mickey @ 1:02 AM

reflection…

Posted on Sunday 19 April 2009


Main Entry: re·flect
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈflekt\
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin reflectere to bend back, from re- + flectere to bend
Date: 15th century

transitive verb:
  1. archaic to turn into or away from a course: deflect
  2. to prevent passage of and cause to change direction <a mirror reflects light>
  3. to bend or fold back
  4. to give back or exhibit as an image, likeness, or outline <the clouds were reflected in the water>
  5. to bring or cast as a result <his attitude reflects little credit on his judgment>
  6. to make manifest or apparent <the painting reflect>s his artistic vision> <the pulse reflects the condition of the heart>
  7. realize, consider
intransitive verb
  1. to throw back light or sound
    • to think quietly and calmly
    • to express a thought or opinion resulting from reflection
    • to tend to bring reproach or discredit <an investigation that reflects on all the members of the department>
    • to bring about a specified appearance or characterization <an act which reflects well on her>
    • to have a bearing or influence

At the risk of extreme pedantry, the distinction between transitive and intransitive verbs has a meaning worth considering in our thoughts about the Torture Memos. A transitive verb has an object eg <a mirror reflects light>. An intransitive verb has no object. It is an action performed by the subject, but performed on nothing else. In a sense, reflect is a perfect example. In it’s second meaning, it means look in the mirror and think about what you see. My previous posts about those Torture Memos are about looking at what they did and what to do about them. I make no apology about that. Something needs to be done.

But what about us. What have we done to contribute to the intense hatred expressed in the 9/11 attack, the fury of the Jihadists, the state of our relationships with the Arab world? What have we done to produce the possibility of a Bush Administration, an American government capable of doing the kinds of things that went on in the last eight years? I don’t want to think about that, but it’s a reasonable request…
Mickey @ 7:54 AM

two guys…

Posted on Saturday 18 April 2009

I doubt that many of us have the stomach to read the Torture Memos thoroughly. I don’t. But here’s an exerpt from 2005 in which Steven Bradbury attempts to re-evaluate the earlier Yoo/Bybee versions. The question is simple, if these techniques don’t cause extreme pain and suffering, why are they using them at all? Why are there so many Memos being written about them?  Why does it take him 44 pages to answer a simple "yes/no" question. They sound like they are being written to cover "how to cause extreme pain and suffering without being charged with causing extreme pain or suffering." And, in fact, Bradbury is responding with "how to justify the interrogators causing extreme pain and suffering without looking like you are justifying causing extreme pain and suffering." Somebody on high was obviously saying, "Cover Bush’s Ass, but don’t stop us." We know exactly which two guys were saying that…
Everything they did was to ignore our laws: putting the prisoners in Cuba, stripping their rights to trial, sending them to foreign soil to secret camps, getting Memo after Memo from the DoJ. No matter how creative their methods, they were obviously evading/avoiding our laws and principles. Otherwise, why do any of those things? And what good are " assorted medical personel" using "special care" to do "monitoring and reporting" when someone is being tortured?
Mickey @ 11:30 PM

that mistake again…

Posted on Saturday 18 April 2009

Of the Torture Memos, President Obama said:
this is a time for reflection, not retribution…
Those are wise words, well spoken. Were I he, and in his position, I might have said the same thing. But I’m not Obama, nor in his position. I agree that this is not a time for retribution, in spite of my emotional reaction. I think that the Bush Administration’s motive for the Torture of Abu Zubaydah and others was retribution. Lord knows, after 9/11, I felt a kind of vengefulness I’d never felt before, but torturing prisoners was not the right thing to do, no matter what the circumstances. At times like this, I always think of the same thing – Karl Rove’s speech to the New York Conservatives in 2005:
But perhaps the most important difference between conservatives and liberals can be found in the area of national security. Conservatives saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war; liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers. In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was time to unleash the might and power of the United States military against the Taliban; in the wake of 9/11, liberals believed it was time to… submit a petition. I am not joking. Submitting a petition is precisely what Moveon.org did. It was a petition imploring the powers that be” to “use moderation and restraint in responding to the… terrorist attacks against the United States.” I don’t know about you, but moderation and restraint is not what I felt as I watched the Twin Towers crumble to the earth; a side of the Pentagon destroyed; and almost 3,000 of our fellow citizens perish in flames and rubble. Moderation and restraint is not what I felt – and moderation and restraint is not what was called for. It was a moment to summon our national will – and to brandish steel.
Looking back, "a petition imploring the powers that be to use moderation and restraint in responding to the… terrorist attacks against the United States" was the best advice we could have ever received. And it’s still good advice. And we should use moderation and restraint in responding to Gonzales, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Haynes, etc. But that doesn’t mean doing nothing, just like it didn’t mean doing nothing in 2001. To me it means two things:
  1. All of this Torture business was done in secret. The only oversight was hack DoJ lawyers who wrote these obscene Memos justifying unjustifiable atrocities. In my mind, they betrayed their profession and our country. It is a matter for the courts and that’s where it should be sent forthwith. Professional censure at the least, criminal prosecution if possible. In the end, the Law is our way of saying what is unacceptable. What they did was unacceptable.
  2. All of this insanity during the last eight years – Imperial presidency, torture, invading Iraq, Domestic Surveillance, Outing a C.I.A. Agent, lying about Intelligence, etc. was manipulating our system rather than representing it. They cannot be impeached – the time has passed. I think that Leahy’s idea of a Truth Commission is the best. To use Obama’s words, we cannot "reflect" until we know what happened. We need to know it all – all of us. Then we can reflect.
Somewhere between a public lynching and doing nothing lies a sober, national reflection that confronts Americans with the error of allowing inadequate, unprincipled leaders free rein with our country. We got over Nixon way too fast. We don’t need to make that mistake again…
New York Times
April 18, 2009

To read the four newly released memos on prisoner interrogation written by George W. Bush’s Justice Department is to take a journey into depravity. Their language is the precise bureaucratese favored by dungeon masters throughout history. They detail how to fashion a collar for slamming a prisoner against a wall, exactly how many days he can be kept without sleep (11), and what, specifically, he should be told before being locked in a box with an insect — all to stop just short of having a jury decide that these acts violate the laws against torture and abusive treatment of prisoners.

In one of the more nauseating passages, Jay Bybee, then an assistant attorney general and now a federal judge, wrote admiringly about a contraption for waterboarding that would lurch a prisoner upright if he stopped breathing while water was poured over his face. He praised the Central Intelligence Agency for having doctors ready to perform an emergency tracheotomy if necessary. These memos are not an honest attempt to set the legal limits on interrogations, which was the authors’ statutory obligation. They were written to provide legal immunity for acts that are clearly illegal, immoral and a violation of this country’s most basic values…

But this cannot be the end of the scrutiny for these and other decisions by the Bush administration. Until Americans and their leaders fully understand the rules the Bush administration concocted to justify such abuses — and who set the rules and who approved them — there is no hope of fixing a profoundly broken system of justice and ensuring that that these acts are never repeated.

The abuses and the dangers do not end with the torture memos. Americans still know far too little about President Bush’s decision to illegally eavesdrop on Americans — a program that has since been given legal cover by the Congress…

That investigation should start with the lawyers who wrote these sickening memos, including John Yoo, who now teaches law in California; Steven Bradbury, who was job-hunting when we last heard; and Mr. Bybee, who holds the lifetime seat on the federal appeals court that Mr. Bush rewarded him with.

These memos make it clear that Mr. Bybee is unfit for a job that requires legal judgment and a respect for the Constitution. Congress should impeach him. And if the administration will not conduct a thorough investigation of these issues, then Congress has a constitutional duty to hold the executive branch accountable. If that means putting Donald Rumsfeld and Alberto Gonzales on the stand, even Dick Cheney, we are sure Americans can handle it. After eight years without transparency or accountability, Mr. Obama promised the American people both. His decision to release these memos was another sign of his commitment to transparency. We are waiting to see an equal commitment to accountability.
Mickey @ 9:52 PM

does this story have a bottom?

Posted on Friday 17 April 2009

The first use of waterboarding and other rough treatment against a prisoner from Al Qaeda was ordered by senior Central Intelligence Agency officials despite the belief of interrogators that the prisoner had already told them all he knew, according to former intelligence officials and a footnote in a newly released legal memorandum. The escalation to especially brutal interrogation tactics against the prisoner, Abu Zubaydah, including confining him in boxes and slamming him against the wall, was ordered by officials at C.I.A. headquarters based on a highly inflated assessment of his importance, interviews and a review of newly released documents show.

Abu Zubaydah had provided much valuable information under less severe treatment, and the harsher handling produced no breakthroughs, according to one former intelligence official with direct knowledge of the case. Instead, watching his torment caused great distress to his captors, the official said. Even for those who believed that brutal treatment could produce results, the official said, “seeing these depths of human misery and degradation has a traumatic effect.”

C.I.A. officers adopted these techniques only after the Justice Department had given its official approval on Aug. 1, 2002, in one of four formerly secret legal memos on interrogation that were released Thursday. A footnote to another of the memos described a rift between line officers questioning Abu Zubaydah at a secret C.I.A. prison in Thailand and their bosses at headquarters, and asserted that the brutal treatment may have been “unnecessary”…
What were we thinking? Who was doing our thinking?
Quoting a 2004 report on the interrogation program by the C.I.A. inspector general, the footnote says that “although the on-scene interrogation team judged Zubaydah to be compliant, elements within C.I.A. headquarters still believed he was withholding information.”
A cooperating captive was the target for the Bybee/Yoo memo quoted below with this introduction:
What were they thinking? "dislocate his expectations regarding the treatment he will receive…" He’d already given them information. Who were the "elements within C.I.A. headquarters still believed he was withholding information" they mention? What "secret C.I.A. prison in Thailand" – in Thailand? Were those "elements" really in the C.I.A.? Or were they in the O.V.P.? How does "Even for those who believed that brutal treatment could produce results, the official said, ‘seeing these depths of human misery and degradation has a traumatic effect’" fit with all that stuff in the Memo about not causing "Severe Mental Suffering?" It sounds like even the onlookers suffered. Imagine how the tortured guy felt. This case stinks to high heaven…
Mickey @ 11:18 PM

Deficit Spending…

Posted on Friday 17 April 2009

I’m obviously having a "graph day." I usually post the National Debt as a percentage of the GDP, which corrects for inflation [the lower figure]. However, the upper figure [the absolute national debt] has a meaning of its own:

 

That level line in the upper figure that runs from about 1948 until 1981 means that there was no deficit spending. The National Debt is, after all, the Expenses Minus Revenues. Then came Reagan/Bush and Deficit Spending. Clinton balanced the Budget. Then came Bush Junior and more Deficit Spending.

This makes the current Republican claims of run-away spending even more ludicrous. Their tax cuts had disastrous consequences. They are claiming that Obama’s Deficit Spending is just Democrats-as-usual rather than a desparate attempt to head off a Depression like that of the 1930’s. That’s simply not true.  If anyone abused Deficit Spending, it was Reagan/Bush/Bush! How is that different from a Ponzi Scheme?
Mickey @ 6:21 PM

parallels…

Posted on Friday 17 April 2009


NEW YORK (Reuters) – The criminal investigation of an accountant accused of rubber-stamping the books of jailed swindler Bernard Madoff was extended on Friday for one month pending an indictment, further charges, or a plea, according to court papers. The accountant, David Friehling, who ran a small storefront firm in a suburb of New York, is the only person other than Madoff to be criminally charged in the biggest investment scam in Wall Street history.

"The government has requested a continuance of 30 days to engage in further discussions with counsel about the disposition of this case," the order in Manhattan federal court said. It said Friehling and his lawyer had consented to the continuance, which is typical in such cases. The government has until approximately May 17 to file further charges against Friehling. He could also be indicted by a grand jury or agree to plead guilty to certain charges.

Friehling is out on $2.5 million personal recognizance bond secured by four properties. His travel is restricted and he surrendered his passport. He was charged with fraud on March 18 after authorities said his audits of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC were a pretense. He was not charged with direct knowledge of the scheme in which prosecutors said drew in $65 billion over 20 years. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission also filed civil charges against Friehling.

The accountant faces a maximum of 105 years in prison on the criminal charges, including securities fraud, aiding and abetting investment adviser fraud and false audit reports…
There’s an odd parallel between the Madoff Scandal and the "Bush" torture scandal. It’s a question about the little guys. Should we prosecute the torturers? the Lawyers? the Accountants? They are much more vulnerable than the big guys [at least in the case of the Bush White House]. There’s a temptation to go after the main men like Madoff, and not to focus on the lesser sinners, like his lazy [and probably complicit] Accountant? Do we go after the torturers [who were just following orders]? Do we go after John Yoo and friends? The lesson of the Nurenberg trials says that the underlings have as much responsibility as the overlords.

But there’s another disquieting parallel. Isn’t going after the underlings exactly what the Bush Administration did at Guantanamo? They tortured the little guys, probably out of frustration that they couldn’t get the big fellows [and justified it with hyperbole]. Would we be doing the same thing? Taking out our frustration on the C.I.A. torturers, or the misguided DoJ Lawyers, or the lackluster Accountant? Justifying it by saying "it’s a deterrent for the future" [the Nurenberg logic]. A weighty matter, this one…
Mickey @ 6:06 PM

parameters…

Posted on Friday 17 April 2009

The upper figure is the yearly unemployment from the Great Depression. Below, I’ve extracted the yearly rate of change [this year – last year = % change/year]. What it shows is that in 1932, Hoover’s interventions were beginning to have an impact, even before FDR’s New Deal. Also notice what happened in 1937 when FDR jettisoned the New Deal restrictions too soon. I post this [in response to a question] to explain the contemporary one below that I’ve been posting since December:
What I’m trying to follow is the same parameter in the monthly unemployment figures. That slight downturn in the rate of change is either a sign of improvement or just an insignificant fluctuation. We’ll look again on May 8th when they release the Bureau of Labor Statistics figures.  If du/dt is falling, it will be the first indicator that the economy is stabilizing. Hold your breath…
The other big statistic to watch is the Consumer Price Index. When it’s falling, it heralds a Deflationary Spiral [which is terrible news].  Last month’s value was good news. [it’s stopped falling] Here’s the graph from the Great Depression:
The next CPI wiill be out on May 15th
Mickey @ 4:27 PM