{"id":10406,"date":"2011-06-17T22:05:11","date_gmt":"2011-06-18T02:05:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=10406"},"modified":"2011-06-17T22:05:11","modified_gmt":"2011-06-18T02:05:11","slug":"keeps-on-going-and-going","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/06\/17\/keeps-on-going-and-going\/","title":{"rendered":"keeps on going and going&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/cme-1.gif\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I just watched a remarkable video. It&#8217;s a CME video posted today on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.psychiatrist.com\/elerts\/cme061711b\/index.htm\"><u><strong><font color=\"#400040\">psychiatrist.com<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a> forwarded by someone who knew I&#8217;d enjoy it &#8211; and I did. It&#8217;s really quite remarkable. Madhukar Trivedi combines <strong><font color=\"#200020\">TMAP<\/font><\/strong>, <strong><font color=\"#200020\">CompTMAP<\/font><\/strong>, <strong><font color=\"#400040\">IMPACT<\/font><\/strong>, and <u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/04\/03\/a-thirty-five-million-dollar-misunderstanding\/\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">STAR*D<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u> into a presentation extolling the virtues of his version of measurement based care using his program. Watching it, one would never know that TMAP is defunct and headed for a jury trial for fraud; that his IMPACT study using his CompTMAP program was never actually completed; or that after hundreds of papers, <u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/04\/03\/a-thirty-five-million-dollar-misunderstanding\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">STAR*D<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u> never got around to publishing its final advertised results. Yet there they are, slide after slide with all our old friends [TMAP, STAR*D, QIDS-SR] showing various results from here and there purported to demonstrate this wondrous system.<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">&nbsp;<img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/cme-2.gif\" \/><\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">I particularly liked the <strong><font><u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/04\/03\/a-thirty-five-million-dollar-misunderstanding\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">STAR*D<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u><\/font><\/strong> relapse rates slide which leaves out that they started with 4000 subjects and the ones that made it to Level 4 could meet for group therapy.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">They&#8217;ve landed on a new version of spin to report these studies.&nbsp; CO-MED was a bust. Were two antidepressants better that one as they hoped? The answer, &quot;No&quot;:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"196\" border=\"0\" width=\"520\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/co-med-3.gif\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">But in interviews after the fact, it was a positive &quot;now we finally know&quot; study. This current CME is the same thing. The abject failures of TMAP, CO-MED, <strong><font><u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/04\/03\/a-thirty-five-million-dollar-misunderstanding\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">STAR*D<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u><\/font><\/strong>, CompTMAP, IMPACT are <em>the reason<\/em> we need algorithms and computers &#8211; because the results are so dismal.&nbsp; <em>The very algorithms that have let us down are the reason we need them??<\/em> Here are the results from Trivedi&#8217;s only completed computerized algorithm study [<strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/05\/28\/algorithmic-psychiatry-%E2%80%93-the-fall%E2%80%A6\/\">algorithmic psychiatry &ndash; the fall&hellip;<\/a><\/strong>]:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"318\" border=\"0\" width=\"450\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/impacts.gif\" \/>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">The statistical analyses from this study that found p&lt;0.001 are unintelligible, but the graph speaks enough by itself &#8211; clinically trivial even if they found a way to make it statistically significant. This graph didn&#8217;t make it to the CME presentation. But I&#8217;ve got to give Trivedi credit. He&#8217;s like the energizer bunny, he just keeps on going and saying the same things &#8211; no matter what the evidence says or how many times it says it&#8230;<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I just watched a remarkable video. It&#8217;s a CME video posted today on psychiatrist.com forwarded by someone who knew I&#8217;d enjoy it &#8211; and I did. It&#8217;s really quite remarkable. Madhukar Trivedi combines TMAP, CompTMAP, IMPACT, and STAR*D into a presentation extolling the virtues of his version of measurement based care using his program. Watching [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_topic_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_reply_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-10406","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10406","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=10406"}],"version-history":[{"count":13,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10406\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":10419,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/10406\/revisions\/10419"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=10406"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=10406"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=10406"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}