{"id":11446,"date":"2011-07-12T18:24:42","date_gmt":"2011-07-12T22:24:42","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=11446"},"modified":"2012-12-19T09:12:07","modified_gmt":"2012-12-19T14:12:07","slug":"trial-93-a-very-very-bad-penny","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/07\/12\/trial-93-a-very-very-bad-penny\/","title":{"rendered":"trial 93: a <u>very<\/u> <u>very<\/u> bad penny&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p align=\"justify\"><em><font color=\"#999933\">But if you think about it, what does the result of a Risperidone Trial  in disruptive retarded kids have to do with bipolar disorder in  children, even if it had shown what they claimed [which it didn&#8217;t]? Stay  tuned&hellip;<\/font><\/em><\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><font color=\"#999933\">My layman&rsquo;s reading of the clinical trial results of the Risperdal  trials in children can be summed up as &ldquo;Risperdal sedates mentally  retarded children better than placebo.&rdquo; No great mystery there&hellip;&hellip;.No meaningful guidance either&hellip;.. <\/font><\/em><\/div>\n<div align=\"right\"><a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/07\/12\/trial-93-a-very-bad-penny\/#comment-213308\" target=\"_blank\"><u><em><font color=\"#999933\">Allen<\/font><\/em><\/u><\/a> <\/div>\n<p>        <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">Dr. Biederman and his associates were well established as the ADHD gurus, but had some interest along the way in childhood mania. How did that background interest make it to the front page? Here&#8217;s what he had to say about that in his 2009 deposition, responding to a question about his relationship with Janssen:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"450\" vspace=\"5\" height=\"385\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/wp-admin\/..\/images\/ris-3.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">In essence, some doctors at his clinic gave Risperidone to some of the <em>maybe<\/em> bipolar kids and they responded. At this point, I must interject that the children he was calling bipolar did not have a grandiose, euphoric mood; they did not have an episodic illness; now we hear that their response to the treatments for affective disorder didn&#8217;t exacly work. So, to be honest, whoever these kids were, the point is that their response to Risperidone caught the clinic doctors&#8217; attention. I would say of this that the response to medication came first and diagnosis came later [though I&#8217;m sure he wouldn&#8217;t agree].<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">Janssen didn&#8217;t bite, so Biederman did a study with Olanzapine in bipolar children. After Janssen failed to get approval for Disruptive Behavior Disorder, they did respond to Biederman &#8211; funding his <strong><font color=\"#400040\">J&amp;J Center for Pediatric Psychopathology Research<\/font><\/strong> in 2002. He paid them back, by my reckoning, by signing on as an author to a a presentation at the 2002 AACAP Meeting [later published in 2006]. It&#8217;s the revived old study from a 1998 Trial of Risperidone in Disruptive Retarded kids &#8211; the one I&#8217;ve been ranting about as the bad penny. Besides the fact that he had nothing to do with that study, that it was ghost-written by Excerptia Medica, and that it had an error that dramatically fudged the results, there was something else to say about it. He was using a study of Disruptive Behavior Disordered kids to say something about the effect of Risperidone on kids with Bipolar Disorder. Did he think they were Manic? He didn&#8217;t say that. He just said it was good for symptoms affective and otherwise [best for otherwise]. There&#8217;s nothing <em>bipolar specific<\/em> in what he says.<\/p>\n<div>Then at another time in the deposition he says:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"450\" vspace=\"5\" height=\"287\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/ris-2.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">Not so common after all, but that&#8217;s not my point. He says that people who don&#8217;t believe in bipolar disorder in kids use the same treatment, so why not call it bipolar? <strong><font color=\"#400040\">He&#8217;s got that absolutely backwards.<\/font><\/strong> There&#8217;s nothing about Risperidone or any Atypical Antipsychotic that has any specificity for bipolar disorder &#8211; by his own admission! He published Disruptive Behavior Disorder data himself to justify using Risperidone! Why would he say it&#8217;s a better idea to completely rewrite the diagnostic criteria for bipolar disorder so as to include all of these kids? That makes no sense. And then in his interview on <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/stories\/2007\/09\/28\/60minutes\/main3308525_page3.shtml\" target=\"_blank\"><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">60 Minutes<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a> about the death of Rebecca Riley he says:       <\/p>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\"><sup><strong>&quot;Does   it disturb you or worry you that  many of these medications, most  of   these medications are being used  off-label, and have not been tested    in children?&quot; Couric asks  Biederman.<\/strong><\/sup><sup><strong> &quot;Yes. I   recognize the fact  that  we have a gap in knowledge,&quot; Biederman says.   &quot;But the patients that   come to me, and the families in tears and   despair with these type of   problems, I in good faith cannot tell them,   &lsquo;Come back in ten years   until we have all the data in hand.&rsquo; I still   need to use medicines that I   am assuming that if they work in  adults,  with appropriate care and   supervision, may also work in  children.&quot;<\/strong><\/sup><\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<p align=\"justify\">While I have some empathy with this feeling, it has nothing to do with bipolar disorder or with Rebecca Riley. So he&#8217;s saying this in an interview about a kid who probably wasn&#8217;t sick in the first place! Had Rebecca Riley been called Disruptive Behavior Disorder rather than Bipolar, maybe the psychiatrist would&#8217;ve insisted on observing the child more and realized that the disease was in the parents &#8211; not the child [<u><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/wp-admin\/..\/index.php\/2011\/07\/06\/in-tears-and-despair\/\" target=\"_blank\">in tears and despair&hellip;<\/a><\/strong><\/u>].<\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">So that&#8217;s why I&#8217;ve been so obsessed with Dr. Biederman&#8217;s bad penny study. He didn&#8217;t do the study, nor write the abstract, he probably didn&#8217;t write the article [and one wonders if he&#8217;d even read it]. But that aside, he published a study that says he&#8217;s using Risperidone <u>because<\/u> it calms down disturbed, out-of-control kids. That doesn&#8217;t make them bipolar. Their symptoms don&#8217;t say bipolar. Their response to medications used in bipolar disorder in adults doesn&#8217;t say bipolar. So what he did was to join Janssen&#8217;s campaign to make it easier to prescribe their drug to kids for behavior control [<u><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/wp-admin\/..\/index.php\/2011\/07\/12\/trial-93-a-very-bad-penny\/\" target=\"_blank\">trial 93: a very bad penny&hellip;<\/a><\/strong><\/u>], whether that&#8217;s what he thought he was doing or not.   <\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">What difference does it make? It&#8217;s huge. I want psychiatrists who see very disruptive kids to have to agonize over every prescription they write for big time medications just like I have to. I want them to be sure about those &quot;tears and dispair.&quot; I want them to spend time with the kid. And in those cases that come along where they do use these medicines, I don&#8217;t want them to be able to kid themselves that they&#8217;re treating some <em>disease<\/em> that they understand. And I guarantee that they won&#8217;t be <em>routinely <\/em>prescribing Atypical Antipsychotics to children irresponsibly, because justifying that use of medicine in court requires a lot of documentation. You need to be able to prove that the alternatives are worse &#8211; short term and long term.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">I don&#8217;t know if Dr. Biederman is as morally challenged as some of his compatriots on Senator Grassley&#8217;s roster. But even if he&#8217;s not, he has been a major force in aiding and abetting PHARMA&#8217;s campaign to get kids on medications for their annual report&#8217;s bottom line without regard for the consequences. If he&#8217;s got half the sense he claims to have, he should&#8217;ve seen that from day one&#8230;  <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>But if you think about it, what does the result of a Risperidone Trial in disruptive retarded kids have to do with bipolar disorder in children, even if it had shown what they claimed [which it didn&#8217;t]? Stay tuned&hellip; My layman&rsquo;s reading of the clinical trial results of the Risperdal trials in children can be [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_topic_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_reply_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-11446","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11446","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=11446"}],"version-history":[{"count":14,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11446\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":31149,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/11446\/revisions\/31149"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=11446"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=11446"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=11446"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}