{"id":19869,"date":"2012-02-18T13:10:09","date_gmt":"2012-02-18T18:10:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=19869"},"modified":"2012-02-18T15:42:50","modified_gmt":"2012-02-18T20:42:50","slug":"19869","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2012\/02\/18\/19869\/","title":{"rendered":"a fundamental flaw&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<br \/>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/blog\/dsm5-in-distress\/201202\/dsm-5-the-barricades-grief\" target=\"_blank\"><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">DSM-5 To The Barricades On Grief<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a><br \/>                <strong><font color=\"#200020\"><sup>Defending The Indefensible<\/sup><\/font><\/strong><br \/>                <strong><font color=\"#0033ff\">DSM-5 in Distress: Psychology Today<\/font><\/strong><br \/>                by Allen Frances<br \/>              February 18, 2012<\/div>\n<p>              <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\"><sup>The storm of opposition to DSM 5 is now focused on its silly and unnecessary proposal to medicalize grief.  DSM 5 would encourage the diagnosis of &#8216;Major Depressive Disorder&#8217;  almost immediately after the loss of a loved one- having just 2 weeks of  sadness and loss of interest along with reduced appetite, sleep,  and energy would earn the MDD label [and all too often an unnecessary  and potentially harmful  pill treatment]. This makes no sense. To  paraphrase Voltaire, normal grief is not &#8216;Major&#8217;, is not &#8216;Depressive,&#8217;  and is not &#8216;Disorder.&#8217; Grief is the normal and necessary human reaction  to love and loss, not some phony disease.<\/p>\n<p>               All this seems perfectly  clear to just about everyone in the world except the small group of  people working on DSM 5. The press is now filled with scores of shocked  articles stimulated by two damning editorial pieces in the Lancet and a  recent prominent article in the New York Times&#8230;<\/sup><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">It does seem like the DSM-5 Task Force is going down to the wire on grief. The documents of the day are:<\/div>\n<ul>\n<li><u><a href=\"http:\/\/www.dsm5.org\/about\/Documents\/grief%20exclusion_Kendler.pdf\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">DSM-5 Mood Disorder Work Group<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u> <\/li>\n<li><u><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.thelancet.com\/journals\/lancet\/article\/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2960248-7\/fulltext\" target=\"_blank\"><font color=\"#200020\">Living with grief<\/font><\/a><\/strong><\/u> <\/li>\n<li><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/blog\/dsm5-in-distress\/201202\/lancet-rejects-grief-mental-disorder\"><font color=\"#200020\">Lancet Rejects Grief As a Mental Disorder<\/font><\/a><\/strong><\/li>\n<li><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.medscape.com\/viewarticle\/758788\"><u><strong><font color=\"#660033\">APA President&#8217;s Defense<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a><font color=\"#660033\"> [requires free sign-up] <\/font><\/li>\n<li><u><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/dxrevisionwatch.wordpress.com\/2012\/02\/09\/uk-media-coverage-of-dsm-5\/\"><font color=\"#200020\">Media coverage of UK concerns over&nbsp;DSM-5<\/font><\/a><\/strong><\/u><\/li>\n<li><u><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/thehealthcareblog.com\/blog\/2012\/02\/17\/can-the-press-save-dsm-5-from-itself\/\"><font color=\"#200020\">Can the Press Save DSM 5 from Itself?<\/font><\/a><\/strong><\/u> \t\t\t<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.psychologytoday.com\/blog\/dsm5-in-distress\/201202\/dsm-5-the-barricades-grief\" target=\"_blank\"><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">DSM-5 To The Barricades On Grief<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">Dr. John Oldham, the current president of the APA, comments:        <\/div>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\"><sup><strong><font color=\"#660033\">&quot;When we say that we are recommending removing  this exclusion of grief from the diagnosis of depression, people have    misinterpreted this to mean that therefore everyone who is grieving  after the loss of a spouse will be diagnosed as depressed. That is not  at all   the case,&quot; he said. Dr. Oldham also made the point that in general, people who are under a  lot of stress or are going through a rough period are not necessarily    going to be diagnosed with depression.<\/p>\n<p>     &quot;Even if you meet the criteria for depression, it doesn&#8217;t mean that  you&#8217;re going to have treatment slapped on you. It just means that maybe    you&#8217;d have a conversation about it with your doctor and perhaps agree  to a watchful waiting period and be alert to how things go and maybe    check in a little more frequently. Nothing is automatic; there are lots  of options.&quot; The bottom line, Dr. Oldham said, is &quot;we want people to get treatment who need it.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>     &quot;What we know,&quot; Dr. Oldham said, &quot;is that any major stress can activate significant depression in people who are at risk for it. It doesn&#8217;t make sense to differentiate the loss of a loved one as understandable grief from equally severe stress and sadness after other kinds of loss.&quot;<\/font><\/strong><\/sup><\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">My response to Dr. Oldham starts with this comment: &quot;The bottom line, Dr. Oldham said, is &#8216;we want people to get treatment who need it.&#8217;&quot; Well, that&#8217;s a laudable sentiment. Me too. The part that&#8217;s so hard for me to follow is that he and the DSM-5 Task Force seem to think that the  DSM-5 is obligated to tell us that if a grieving person becomes  depressed, he\/she may need treatment. What psychiatrist doesn&#8217;t know  that? or doctor? or mother? or son? The DSM-5 isn&#8217;t a treatment manual, it&#8217;s a  diagnostic manual &#8211; not a guideline, not an algorithm, not a treatment recipe book.  In fact, the whole rationale for the radical DSM-III revision was that previous versions confused diagnosis and treatment. &quot;Depressive Neurosis&quot; was discarded because it implied a treatment &#8211; some kind of psychotherapy. That the APA and the DSM-5 Task Force &quot;want people to get treatment who need it&quot; is superfluous to their task &#8211; diagnostic criteria. They can put that into their Treatment Manual. It doesn&#8217;t belong in our Diagnostic Manual.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">As long as we&#8217;re parsing his words, &quot;What we know is that any  major stress can activate significant depression in people who are at  risk for it.&quot; He doesn&#8217;t &quot;know&quot; that. If I get depressed after a severe stress, I was at risk for it? It&#8217;s a tautology &#8211; the definition contains itself. A psychoanalyst might interpret that as based on my previous life experience. A biologist might think it&#8217;s in my genes. A neuroscientist may point to my brain pathways. But all are assuming predisposition based on my reaction. Maybe. Maybe not. It&#8217;s an assumption, not something anyone &quot;knows.&quot; For all I know, the rest of you have something wrong &#8211; too much denial, or a faulty brain pathway, or a missing gene. But I wander from my point. Back to the thread. If depression in response to a severe stress is, in fact, a particular syndrome as opposed to depression in the absence of a severe stress, the sensible thing to do would be to make that distinction in our diagnostic criteria of depression rather than remove any sign of it, or for that matter, remove &quot;depression&quot; as part of a normal, human process eg bereavement.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">It is the Task Force itself that has &quot;misinterpreted&quot; its role. They think that we are asking for directions on how to approach the problems our patients bring to our offices &#8211; how and when to treat. That&#8217;s not what they&#8217;re being asked to do. Their assignment is to give us a classification that helps us make those decisions in concert with our patients, informed by everything we&#8217;ve ever learned from a wide range of experience, and what we&#8217;ve learned of the specific patient in front of us. This misinterpretation is a fundamental flaw in the current DSM-5 effort, and will likely spell its doom as they show no signs of even <em>dawning self reflection<\/em>&#8230; <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>DSM-5 To The Barricades On Grief Defending The Indefensible DSM-5 in Distress: Psychology Today by Allen Frances February 18, 2012 The storm of opposition to DSM 5 is now focused on its silly and unnecessary proposal to medicalize grief. 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