{"id":22060,"date":"2012-04-12T21:59:17","date_gmt":"2012-04-13T01:59:17","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=22060"},"modified":"2012-04-12T22:02:07","modified_gmt":"2012-04-13T02:02:07","slug":"end-of-something","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2012\/04\/12\/end-of-something\/","title":{"rendered":"end of something&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<div align=\"justify\">Back around Christmas, I had looked at a meta-analysis of antidepressant drugs published in Neuropsychopharmacology [<u><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/12\/19\/what-was-that-all-about\"><font color=\"#200020\"><em>what was that all about?<\/em>&hellip;<\/font><\/a><\/strong><\/u>,<font color=\"#2f1401\"> <\/font><strong><u><a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/12\/21\/meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-meta-meta\" target=\"_blank\"><font color=\"#2f1401\">meta<\/font> meta <font color=\"#6d543d\">meta<\/font> <font color=\"#8c7461\">meta<\/font> <font color=\"#a99485\">meta<\/font> <font color=\"#c6b4a9\">meta<\/font> <font color=\"#d3d4cd\">meta&hellip;<\/font><\/a><\/u><\/strong>] that seemed pretty well done to me. I&#8217;ve reproduced the essential findings below. What reminded me of it was a comment in that peculiar American Psychiatric Foundation Summit I was reporting on yesterday [<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/psychnews.psychiatryonline.org\/newsArticle.aspx?articleid=1096598\"><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">APF Convenes Unique Pipeline Summit<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a>]. In that article, Madhukar Trivedi was quoted as saying:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><sup>Mudhukar Trivedi, M.D., director of the mood disorders research program  at the University of Texas Southwestern, observed that &ldquo;we are creating a  virtual world in which [psychiatric] trials are conducted in the  [least-severely ill] patients by the least-qualified people, and then  [we] are surprised by the placebo effect.&rdquo; Consequently, the general  public and part of the medical community believe that antidepressants  are no better than placebo.<\/sup><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">I will admit up front that I am no fan of Dr. Trivedi, and in this case found his comment especially odd because he&#8217;s famous for doing studies with no placebo group [STAR*D, CO-MED], so the placebo effect is always working in his favor. But I didn&#8217;t really understand what he meant by &quot;<em>a  virtual world in which [psychiatric] trials are conducted in the   [least-severely ill] patients by the least-qualified people, and then   [we] are surprised by the placebo effect<\/em>&quot; other than it was as usual for him &#8211; a piece of haughty sarcasm. But his quip reminded me of this meta-analysis so I went back and took a look:   <\/div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/22169941\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Randomized, Placebo-Controlled Trials of Antidepressants for Acute Major Depression: Thirty-Year Meta-Analytic Review <\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u><br \/>                   <sup>by Juan&nbsp;Undurraga and Ross J&nbsp;Baldessarini<\/sup><br \/>                   <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Neuropsychopharmacology<\/font><\/strong> [advance online publication]<br \/>                  14&nbsp;December&nbsp;2011<\/div>\n<p>  <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\"><sup><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Abstract<\/font><\/strong><\/u>:  Antidepressant&ndash;placebo  response-differences [RDs] in controlled trials  have been declining,  potentially confounding comparisons among older  and newer drugs. For  clinically employed antidepressants, we carried  out a meta-analytic  review of placebo-controlled trials in acute,  unipolar, major depressive  episodes reported over the past three  decades to compare efficacy [drug&ndash;placebo RDs] of individual  antidepressants and classes, and to  consider factors associated with  year-of-reporting by bivariate and  multivariate regression modeling.  Observed drug&ndash;placebo differences were  moderate and generally similar  among specific drugs, but larger among  older antidepressants, notably  tricyclics, than most newer agents. This  outcome parallels selective  increases in placebo-associated responses as  trial-size has increased  in recent years. Study findings generally  support moderate efficacy of  clinically employed antidepressants for  acute major depression, but  underscore limitations of meta-analyses of  controlled trials for  ranking drugs by efficacy. We suggest that  efficiency and drug&ndash;placebo  differences may be improved with fewer sites  and subjects, and better  quality-control of diagnostic and clinical  assessments.<\/sup><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p>        Undurraga and Baldessarini did a meta-analysis of the  antidepressant drug trials for the last thirty years, ending up with  only 116 candidates from over 2000 studies that met their criteria  [placebo controlled, randomized, double blind trials]. They used the  study <strong><font color=\"#200020\">RR<\/font><\/strong> [Response Rate] for comparison [if <strong><font color=\"#200020\">X<\/font><\/strong> = mean % fall in rating scale then <strong><font color=\"#200020\">X<sub>drug<\/sub> &divide; X<sub>placebo<\/sub> = RR<\/font><\/strong>].       <\/p>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/bald-1.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">But this paper went further [to the authors&#8217; credit]. They looked at the year the study was done, and the values of&nbsp; <strong><font color=\"#200020\">X<sub>drug<\/sub><\/font><\/strong> and <strong><font color=\"#200020\">X<sub>placebo <\/sub><\/font><\/strong>over the years [center two graphs]:    <\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"350\" border=\"0\" width=\"520\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/bald-2.gif\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I had further separated the Response Rates out by drug class by year:  <\/p>\n<p align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" height=\"520\" border=\"0\" width=\"520\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/bald-4.gif\" \/>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\">I like this study even more than the first time through. It was straight up with all their numbers in a table for anyone to see. Personally, it spanned my whole career. Specialty-wise, it spanned the post&middot;DSM-III era. It was a big picture meta-analysis to be proud of. I had sort of dropped it in December because we hit the road for some holiday travels and in early January, we were off again to Texas for the JNJ Trial so I just forgot about it. Today, I had some other projects going and so those graphs sat on my second screen for numerous glances while I did some busy work in the center ring.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">There are several stories there. One is about the deterioration of the quality of clinical trials as they&#8217;ve been increasingly <em>privatized<\/em> and <em>farmed out<\/em> to the CROs using multiple sites and, I suspect, fewer and fewer <em>patients<\/em> and more and more <em>recruits.<\/em> So as much as I hate to admit it, now that I think about it, Trivedi is probably right, it is a &#8216;virtual world&#8217; [I hasten to add that his studies &#8211; TMAP, IMPACT, STAR*D, CO-MED haven&#8217;t added much to the knowledge-base about the &#8216;real world&#8217; either]. But another story is that things have certainly not improved with time, and all the creative <em>novel<\/em> stuff hasn&#8217;t added much either &#8211; sequencing, doubling up, augmenting, etc. And I&#8217;m betting against genomic directed personalized drug picking too [iSPOT, EMBARC]. Antidepressant medications seem to have a roughly fixed efficacy. No great shakes, but not nothing. If they&#8217;d reserve them for Melancholics instead of the <em>virtual disease MDD<\/em>, I expect they would look a whole lot better.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">I doubt that yelling at the pipeline is going to make any difference, like they could make it spit out some wished for miracle drug. Matter of fact, I&#8217;m not sure this particular group really wants a miracle drug, because then they&#8217;d be obsolete. With an empty pipeline they have nothing to talk about. With a miracle drug, they have nothing to talk about. The only way they have something is to have a stream of middling drugs like the ones we&#8217;ve had for the last thirty plus years. That&#8217;s also true for the CRO Industry &#8211; no trials = no industry. The Pharmaceutical companies seem to know that there&#8217;s nothing much for them in that kind of situation and are unlikely to stay in the game now that the <em>gold rush<\/em> is over just to support lonely KOLs and CROs. This meta-analysis says to me that we are at the end of something &#8211; an era of sorts. I&#8217;m not sure the people at that APF Summit quite know that yet. There&#8217;s an inertia of motion that takes a while to slow down&#8230;<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Back around Christmas, I had looked at a meta-analysis of antidepressant drugs published in Neuropsychopharmacology [what was that all about?&hellip;, meta meta meta meta meta meta meta&hellip;] that seemed pretty well done to me. I&#8217;ve reproduced the essential findings below. What reminded me of it was a comment in that peculiar American Psychiatric Foundation Summit [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_topic_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_reply_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-22060","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22060","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=22060"}],"version-history":[{"count":18,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22060\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":22080,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/22060\/revisions\/22080"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=22060"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=22060"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=22060"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}