{"id":2783,"date":"2009-01-06T13:51:18","date_gmt":"2009-01-06T18:51:18","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=2783"},"modified":"2009-01-06T14:05:57","modified_gmt":"2009-01-06T19:05:57","slug":"by-the-book","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2009\/01\/06\/by-the-book\/","title":{"rendered":"by the book&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<br \/>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/rawstory.com\/news\/2008\/Cheney_Presidents_actions_legal_if_hes_0104.html\"><strong>Cheney: Bush&#8217;s actions legal if not impeached<\/strong><\/a> <\/div>\n<p>          <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">Cheney referenced Abraham Lincoln as an example of another president who &quot;suspended the writ of habeus corpus&quot; during a war, prompting this exchange:<\/div>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>SCHIEFFER:<\/strong>But nobody thinks that was legal.   <\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>CHENEY:<\/strong> Well, no. It certainly was in the sense he wasn&#8217;t <em>impeached.<\/em> And it was a wartime measure that he took that I think history says today, yeah, that was probably a good thing to do.<\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">The vice president spent much of the interview defending eight years of the Bush administration&#8217;s policies, including its surveillance and interrogation programs. When Schieffer asked if the Bush administration had gone &quot;too far&quot; in its surveillance program, Cheney said no.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">\n<ul><strong>CHENEY:<\/strong> I don&rsquo;t believe we violated anybody&rsquo;s civil liberties.<\/ul>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">Cheney also urged President-elect Barack Obama to continue the Bush administration&rsquo;s interrogation policies&#8230;<\/div>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>CHENEY:<\/strong> I would hope [Obama] would avoid doing what others have done in the past, which is <font color=\"#300030\"><strong>letting the campaign rhetoric guide his judgment in this absolutely crucial area<\/strong><\/font>&#8230; We were very careful, we did everything by the book, and in fact we produced very significant results<\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">There is so much wrong with Cheney&#8217;s basic thought processes that it&#8217;s hard to even know where to start. Abraham Lincoln was a great man. He was the first Republican President and was a passionate <strong>Abolitionist<\/strong>. Of all the exemplary things that Abraham Lincoln did, Dick Cheney picks one of the flaws in this great man&#8217;s history to call a precedent. Cheney hardly supported Lincoln&#8217;s Mandate against racism, nor seemed to care much about Lincoln&#8217;s veneration of our Constitution, but he&#8217;s keen on Lincoln&#8217;s suspension of habeus corpus. It is unearned hubris for Cheney to equate himself with Lincoln, but to then pick this piece of Lincoln&#8217;s Presidency to emulate &#8211; <em>priceless<\/em> hubris.   <\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">He then claims that Lincoln&#8217;s suspension of the writ of habeus corpus must have been legal because Lincoln wasn&#8217;t impeached. What a piece of Cheney-think. Lincoln wasn&#8217;t impeached because he saved our Union, and he didn&#8217;t make a habit of slithering through the cracks. Cheney would do well to think that a major reason his boss, George Bush, wasn&#8217;t impeached is because we&#8217;d have him [Cheney] as President!<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Next we have, &quot;I don&rsquo;t believe we violated anybody&rsquo;s civil liberties.&quot; I presume he&#8217;s referring to surveillance, because it&#8217;s hard to imagine that even Cheney would argue that Torture isn&#8217;t violating Civil Liberties [my guess is that he doesn&#8217;t consider P.O.W.&#8217;s to be fellow human beings]. But what he seems to be saying is that surveillance doesn&#8217;t hurt anybody. <font color=\"#300030\"><strong>Privacy, itself, <u>is<\/u> the Liberty in question<\/strong><\/font>. What he means is that since we didn&#8217;t go shoot the people, they weren&#8217;t hurt. That&#8217;s not for him to decide. By definition, their Liberties were violated.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">But then we come to his sickest thoughts. &quot;I would hope [Obama] would avoid doing what others have done in the past, which is <font color=\"#300030\"><strong>letting the campaign rhetoric guide his judgment in this absolutely crucial area<\/strong><\/font>.&quot; He&#8217;s big on this campaign rhetoric thing &#8211; often discounting others by saying, &quot;Oh that&#8217;s just campaign rhetoric.&quot; But here, he reveals his true colors. Early in 2008, former Senator <strong>Lincoln Chaffee<\/strong>, a Republican &quot;good guy&quot; published <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Against-Tide-Compliant-Empowered-President\/dp\/0312383045\/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1231250642&#038;sr=8-1\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>Against the Tide<\/strong><\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/thinkprogress.org\/2008\/04\/01\/cheney-swore-off-moderate-campaign-promises-a-month-after-2000-election\/\">Cheney swore off &lsquo;moderate&rsquo; campaign promises a month after 2000 election<\/a><\/strong><br \/>    April 1, 2008<\/div>\n<p>     <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">In his new book, former Rhode Island Republican senator Lincoln Chafee reveals that even before President Bush was sworn into office after the 2000 elections, Cheney had rejected the &ldquo;moderate course&rdquo; laid out in their campaign: <\/div>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">The former Senator describes a December 2000 meeting of Republican moderates with Vice President-elect Cheney. Chafee listened as Cheney swore off the moderate course he and Bush had just finished championing in their campaign.<\/div>\n<p>    <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\"><font color=\"#300030\"><strong>Hearing Cheney say &ldquo;the campaign was over and that our actions in office would not be dictated by what had to be said in the campaign,&rdquo; Chafee writes, was &ldquo;the most demoralizing moment of my seven-year tenure in the Senate.&rdquo;<\/strong><\/font><\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">In his book, Chafee angrily adds about the incident,<\/div>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">Mr. Cheney tore our best campaign promises to shreds and the moderates acquiesced instead of pelting him with outrage.<\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">For Dick Cheney, campaign rhetoric is what you say to get elected &#8211; a lie. It&#8217;s remarkable that he thinks it. It&#8217;s amazing that he says it. In essence, he&#8217;s saying, &quot;You can&#8217;t believe a word I say.&quot; And I don&#8217;t.<\/div>\n<p> <\/p>\n<div>And then, as if he hadn&#8217;t already said enough, he adds, &quot;<font color=\"#300030\"><strong>We were very careful, we did everything by the book, and in fact we produced very significant results.<\/strong><\/font><\/div>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\">&quot;<font color=\"#300030\"><strong>We were very careful<\/strong><\/font>&quot; to make sure we wouldn&#8217;t be held responsible for what we did.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\">&quot;<font color=\"#300030\"><strong>we did everything by the book<\/strong><\/font>&quot; meaning we found a lawyer [John Yoo] who would rationalize what we were doing and put the DoJ stamp of approval on it.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\">&quot;<font color=\"#300030\"><strong>we produced very significant results<\/strong><\/font>&quot; There are grave doubts whether either domestic surveillance or torture got us any intelligence at all. But there have been significant results &#8211; the world&#8217;s disdain and our own shame.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">And, of course, his argument rests on that fallacious principle, &quot;the ends jusify the means.&quot; Dick Cheney&#8217;s basic thought processes are inconsistent with American Principles at every level&#8230;<\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div align=\"center\"><embed src=\"http:\/\/www.cbs.com\/thunder\/swf\/rcpHolderCbs-prod.swf\" width=\"370\" height=\"361\"allowFullScreen=\"true\" FlashVars=\"link=http:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/video\/watch\/?id=4697489n&#038;releaseURL=http:\/\/release.theplatform.com\/content.select?pid=HmcAHbGxzqLOU4jrvLRSrnMQECevkNHO&#038;partner=newsembed&#038;autoPlayVid=false&#038;prevImg=http:\/\/thumbnails.cbsig.net\/CBS_Production_News\/939\/835\/ftn_fullshow_1409_480x360.jpg\" type=\"application\/x-shockwave-flash\" pluginspage=\"http:\/\/www.macromedia.com\/go\/getflashplayer\" \/><br \/><sup>30 second commercial up front &#8211; sorry<\/sup><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Cheney: Bush&#8217;s actions legal if not impeached Cheney referenced Abraham Lincoln as an example of another president who &quot;suspended the writ of habeus corpus&quot; during a war, prompting this exchange: SCHIEFFER:But nobody thinks that was legal. CHENEY: Well, no. It certainly was in the sense he wasn&#8217;t impeached. 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