{"id":3197,"date":"2009-06-08T11:22:12","date_gmt":"2009-06-08T16:22:12","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=3197"},"modified":"2009-06-08T16:33:03","modified_gmt":"2009-06-08T21:33:03","slug":"seeing-red","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2009\/06\/08\/seeing-red\/","title":{"rendered":"<center>seeing <font color=\"#900000\"><strong><u>red<\/u><\/strong><\/font>&#8230;<br>emptywheel, Greenwald, Sullivan, Leopold, Froomkin, and me too!<\/center>"},"content":{"rendered":"<br \/>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com\/the_daily_dish\/2009\/06\/the-nyts-continuing-slide-on-torture.html\" target=\"_blank\">The NYT&#8217;s Continuing Slide On Torture<\/a><br \/>                   Atlantic<\/strong><br \/>                   By Andrew Sullivan<br \/>                   07 Jun 2009<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">&#8230;The best summaries of the latest piece of Bush administration stenography are from <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/emptywheel.firedoglake.com\/2009\/06\/06\/all-the-news-nyt-does-not-print\/\">Marcy Wheeler<\/a><\/strong> and <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/opinion\/greenwald\/2009\/06\/07\/torture_memos\/\">Glenn Greenwald<\/a><\/strong>. Read them both in full.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">The gist: if you <em>actually read<\/em> the <a href=\"http:\/\/static1.firedoglake.com\/28\/files\/\/2009\/06\/050427-comey-emails-compressed.pdf\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>leaked memos<\/strong><\/a>, and absorb the details of <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2009\/06\/07\/us\/politics\/07lawyers.html?_r=2&#038;ref=global-home&#038;pagewanted=all\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>the NYT piece<\/strong><\/a>, you find the actual story: <font color=\"#900000\"><strong>that the OLC lawyers were under enormous pressure to approve whatever Cheney wanted, were denied time to get the whole thing right, (Bradbury was even kept on probation until he spat out the &quot;legal&quot; approvals they wanted), were told that the president himself was pushing hard, and that a couple of them, Comey and Goldsmith, believed that the torture techniques, although technically &quot;legal&quot; in their judgment, were &quot;simply awful&quot; and would come back to haunt them. <\/strong><\/font>Among the political interference in the OLC process (eerily reminiscent of the pressure on the CIA with respect to Saddam&#8217;s WMDs), we learn the following: <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"1\" width=\"520\" src=\"http:\/\/andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com\/.a\/6a00d83451c45669e201156fda1044970c-500wi\" class=\"at-xid-6a00d83451c45669e201156fda1044970c\" alt=\"Comey4\" \/><\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">This was the kind of political pressure applied to lawyers who were supposed to be interpreting the law, regardless of policy positions by their superiors, free of political pressure or duress. And this was long, long after the initial period of terror after 9\/11 and in Bush&#8217;s second term. Moreover, the lawyers&#8217; belief that <em>combining<\/em> all these torture techniques was extremely dangerous was completely ignored. Here&#8217;s Comey desperately trying to get them to realize the Rubicon they were crossing:<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"1\" width=\"520\" src=\"http:\/\/andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com\/.a\/6a00d83451c45669e201156fda0282970c-500wi\" class=\"at-xid-6a00d83451c45669e201156fda0282970c\" alt=\"Comey9\" \/>  <\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">Notice how Rice was demonstrating the moral courage she recently showed in front of some amateur (i.e. not supine MSM) questioners on the question. She wanted to give the president anything he wanted while remaining in total denial &#8211; and deniability &#8211; on the torture question. In some ways, her position is more contemptible than Cheney&#8217;s. At least he knew what he wanted to do, and is now proud of his record of torture and abuse of prisoners. Rice simply facilitated everything, while closing her eyes to reality, and abandoning any moral responsibilty.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><font color=\"#900000\"><strong>&quot;it was simply not acceptable for the Princip[als] to say that everything that may be &#8216;legal&#8217; is also appropriate.&quot;<\/strong><\/font> <\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong><u>Glenn homes in on the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.salon.com\/opinion\/greenwald\/2009\/06\/07\/torture_memos\/\">critical revelation<\/a><\/u>: <\/strong><\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"blockquote\">Comey described exactly what was happening with this process:&nbsp; that the White House was demanding and pressuring the issuance of these memos, but that once the torture regime became public &#8212; as Comey warned that it would &#8211;<font color=\"#900000\"><strong> White House officials would defend themselves by heaping the blame on Gonzales and other DOJ lawyers, deceitfully pretending that they were merely following in good faith DOJ advice about what was and was not legal<\/strong><\/font>.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">This is their shell-game now. And it&#8217;s working! The lawyers were at the heart of the golden legal shield, and were willing to go through any legal hoops and shenanigans to call what is illegal &quot;legal&quot; because their political masters demanded it. (Notice that Comey even uses quotation marks around &quot;legal&quot; in a memo to Gonzales). He knows what&#8217;s going on, and while too cowed to actually call unlawful acts unlawful, he nonetheless tries to stop them &#8211; because he knew that if people actually knew what Cheney authorized, behind the euphemisms and legal shenanigans, then the Bush administration would go down in history as torturers and pariahs. As they should.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">So they destroyed the evidence &#8211; the CIA tapes, the last interrogation tape of Padilla, the records at Camp Nama (overseen by McChrystal), and suppressed as many photographs from Abu Ghraib and elsewhere that they could. Without the Abu Ghraib photographs, they would have gotten away with <em>all<\/em> of it.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">Actually, of course, they have gotten away with all of it, subjecting the reservists at the very bottom of the heap to take the fall, as they continue to spin and lie and dissemble and reinvent the past. All with the help, of course, of the <em>New York Times<\/em>. But Comey was right. This will all come out. And we must not flinch or falter in exposing every single aspect of it&#8230; <\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">Roadside conversions are the best kind of all. Conservative Atlantic blogger <font color=\"#300030\"><strong>Andrew Sullivan<\/strong><\/font> jumped ship on the Bush Administration and has become one of our keenest and best-spoken analysts. He joins others in finding the essence of James Comey&#8217;s message in the recently leaked emails. Here are the quotes from Sullivan [and Comey] that make the main point:<\/div>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><font color=\"#900000\"><strong>&#8230; that the OLC lawyers were under enormous pressure to approve whatever Cheney wanted, were denied time to get the whole thing right, (Bradbury was even kept on probation until he spat out the &quot;legal&quot; approvals they wanted), were told that the president himself was pushing hard, and that a couple of them, Comey and Goldsmith, believed that the torture techniques, although technically &quot;legal&quot; in their judgment, were &quot;simply awful&quot; and would come back to haunt them. <\/strong><\/font><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><font color=\"#900000\"><strong>&quot;<\/strong><\/font><font color=\"#900000\"><strong>&#8230; <\/strong><\/font><font color=\"#900000\"><strong>it was simply not acceptable for the Princip[als] to say that everything that may be &#8216;legal&#8217; is also appropriate.&quot;<\/strong><\/font><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><font color=\"#900000\"><strong>&#8230; White House officials would defend themselves by heaping the blame on Gonzales and other DOJ lawyers, deceitfully pretending that they were merely following in good faith DOJ advice about what was and was not legal.<\/strong><\/font><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">I&#8217;ve been watching the <strong>PBS<\/strong> series <font color=\"#300030\"><strong>Behind Closed Doors<\/strong><\/font> &#8211; an expose` of the dealings among <strong>F.D.R.<\/strong>, <strong>Churchill<\/strong>, and <strong>Stalin<\/strong> during World War II. Stalin&#8217;s duplicity and deceit were beyond imagination &#8211; unequalled until the Cheney branch of the American Enterprise Institute cabal found its way to the White House. In spite of their claims that Reagan brought down the &quot;iron curtain&quot; by outspending Russia, I think it was the Internet and Fax Machines that changed things. And the Internet is going to bring down Cheney. This <strong>New York Times<\/strong> article and its distortions of James Comey&#8217;s emails was a big mistake. <strong>DoJ\/O.L.C.<\/strong> to get their justification on paper. <font color=\"#300030\"><strong>These were not legal opinions. They were lame excuses &#8211; and we know it&#8230;<\/strong><\/font><\/div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\">[another good summary of this issue in <strong>t r u t h o u t<\/strong> which quotes Comey&#8217;s parting speech]      <\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.truthout.org\/060809J\">Comey Emails Illustrate Concerns Over Torture Policies<\/a><\/strong><br \/>      Monday 08 June 2009<br \/>       by: Jason Leopold<br \/>      <strong>t r u t h o u t<\/strong><\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">&#8230;On August 15, 2005, in his farewell speech, Comey urged his colleagues to defend    the integrity and honesty of the DOJ.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I expect that you will appreciate and protect an amazing gift you have    received as an employee of the Department of Justice,&quot; Comey said. &quot;It    is a gift you may not notice until the first time you stand up and identify    yourself as an employee of the Department of Justice and say something &#8211; whether    in a courtroom, a conference room or a cocktail part &#8211; and find that total strangers    believe what you say next.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">That gift &#8211; the gift that makes possible so much of the good we accomplish    &#8211; is a reservoir of trust and credibility, a reservoir built for us, and filled    for us, by those who went before &#8211; most of whom we never knew. They were people    who made sacrifices and kept promises to build that reservoir of trust.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Our obligation &#8211; as the recipients of that great gift &#8211; is to protect    that reservoir, to pass it to those who follow, those who may never know us,    as full as we got it. The problem with reservoirs is that it takes tremendous    time and effort to fill them, but one hole in a dam can drain them.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">The protection of that reservoir requires vigilance, an unerring commitment    to truth, and a recognition that the actions of one may affect the priceless    gift that benefits all. I have tried my absolute best &#8211; in matters big and small    &#8211; to protect that reservoir and inspire others to protect it.&quot;<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\">[and the best yet, Froomkin! Thanks to <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/shrinkrap13.blogspot.com\/\"><font color=\"#990000\"><strong>Shrinkrap<\/strong><\/font><\/a> for the link]<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<p align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"1\" width=\"400\" src=\"http:\/\/media.washingtonpost.com\/wp-srv\/images\/whitehousewatchbanner.jpg\" \/><\/p>\n<div align=\"center\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/voices.washingtonpost.com\/white-house-watch\/how-cheney-bent-doj-to-his-wil.html\"><strong>How Cheney Bent DOJ to His Will<\/strong><\/a><br \/> <strong>Washington Post<\/strong><br \/> <strong>06\/08\/2009<br \/> By Dan Froomkin<\/strong><\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">Three newly-disclosed Justice Department e-mails thoroughly vindicate the most cynical suspicions about how former vice president Dick Cheney bent ostensibly independent Justice Department lawyers to his will and forced them to manufacture legal cover for his torture policies&#8230;<\/p>\n<div align=\"center\">[just read it all. it&#8217;s perfect&#8230;]<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The NYT&#8217;s Continuing Slide On Torture Atlantic By Andrew Sullivan 07 Jun 2009 &#8230;The best summaries of the latest piece of Bush administration stenography are from Marcy Wheeler and Glenn Greenwald. Read them both in full. The gist: if you actually read the leaked memos, and absorb the details of the NYT piece, you find [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3197","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3197","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3197"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3197\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3197"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3197"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3197"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}