{"id":3687,"date":"2009-11-24T20:28:55","date_gmt":"2009-11-25T00:28:55","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=3687"},"modified":"2009-11-24T21:46:55","modified_gmt":"2009-11-25T01:46:55","slug":"3687","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2009\/11\/24\/3687\/","title":{"rendered":"over and over until it has been heard&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<br \/>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><a title=\"Permanent Link to The CIA Asked to Destroy Torture Tapes on Same Day They Claimed They Didn\u00e2\u20ac\u2122t Torture\" href=\"http:\/\/emptywheel.firedoglake.com\/2009\/11\/24\/the-cia-asked-to-destroy-torture-tapes-on-same-day-they-claimed-they-didnt-torture\/\" target=\"_blank\">The CIA Asked to Destroy Torture Tapes on Same Day They Claimed They Didn&rsquo;t Torture<\/a><\/strong><br \/>                    By:<strong><font color=\"#006666\"> emptywheel <\/font><\/strong><br \/>                    November 24, 2009<\/div>\n<p>                    <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">As William Ockham has noted, there is a new &ndash; very informative &ndash; <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.aclu.org\/files\/assets\/20091120_Govt_Para_4_55_Hardcopy_Vaughn_Index.pdf\">Vaughn Index<\/a><\/strong> and <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.aclu.org\/files\/assets\/20091120_Govt_Para_4_55_Hardcopy_Vaughn_Declaration_Hilton.pdf\">Declaration<\/a><\/strong> out. I&rsquo;ll have much more to say about these. But for now, look at what documents 3 and 4 from the Vaughn Index tell us about the timing of the torture tape destruction.<\/div>\n<ul>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>November 1, 2005:<\/strong> Bill Frist briefed on torture.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>November 1, 2005:<\/strong> Dana Priest reveals the use of black sites in Europe. In response, CIA starts moving detainees from the countries in question.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>November 3, 2005: <font color=\"#200020\">Leonie Brinkema inquires whether govt has video or audio tapes of interrogations<\/font><\/strong>. CIA IG Report on Manadel al-Janabi&rsquo;s death completed.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>November 4, 2005:<\/strong> Member of Congress writes four page letter to CIA IG.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>November 8, 2005:<\/strong> <strong><font color=\"#200020\">CIA requests permission to destroy torture tapes<\/font><\/strong>. <strong><font color=\"#200020\">CIA reaffirms March 2005 statement that all interrogation methods are lawful<\/font><\/strong>. Duncan Hunter briefed on torture. <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Pete Hoekstra briefed on torture<\/font><\/strong>.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>November 9, 2005: <font color=\"#200020\">CIA confirms destruction of torture tapes<\/font><\/strong>.&nbsp; Doug Jehl article on spring 2004 CIA IG report on interrogation methods appears.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>November 14, 2005: <font color=\"#200020\">Govt tells Brinkema it has no audio or video tapes<\/font><\/strong>.<\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">That is, the CIA requested to destroy the torture tapes in email on November 8, 2005. They confirmed the destruction on November 9. Not surprisingly, after Leonie Brinkema had asked about videotapes. But also right in the middle of debates about McCain&rsquo;s Detainee Treatment Act. And note that briefing for Crazy Pete Hoekstra &ndash; but not the other Dems in Intelligence Committee leadership &ndash; on the same day that CIA started asking to destroy the torture tapes.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Leonie Brinkema<\/font><\/strong> was the Federal Judge presiding over the case of <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Zacarias Moussaoui<\/font><\/strong>, one of the alledged &quot;20th Bombers.&quot; In the week and a half between her request for video\/audio records of torture and the Government&#8217;s response, <u>the tapes of the waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah were destroyed by the C.I.A.<\/u> and they <u>publicly denied torture<\/u>.&nbsp; <strong><font color=\"#006666\">emptywheel <\/font><\/strong>seems to think <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Pete Hoekstra [R-MI]<\/font><\/strong> might have known they were being destroyed.<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\">         <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/emptywheel.firedoglake.com\/2009\/11\/24\/cia-met-with-white-house-about-how-to-respond-to-jane-harmans-torture-warning\/\" target=\"_blank\">CIA Met with White House about How to Respond to Jane Harman&rsquo;s Torture Warnings<\/a><\/strong><br \/>                  <strong>By: <\/strong><strong><font color=\"#006666\">emptywheel<\/font><\/strong><br \/>                  November 24, 2009<\/div>\n<p>      <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">After being <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.house.gov\/apps\/list\/press\/ca36_harman\/Jan_3.shtml\">briefed<\/a><\/strong> on February 5, 2003 that the CIA had used waterboarding and intended to destroy tapes depicting that torture, <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Jane Harman<\/font><\/strong> wrote CIA General Counsel Scott Muller a letter raising concerns. Harman <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.house.gov\/apps\/list\/press\/ca36_harman\/Jan_3.shtml\">warned<\/a><\/strong> CIA they should not destroy the torture tapes, whether or not they constituted an official record.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">\n<ul> You discussed the fact that there is videotape of Abu Zubaydah following his capture that will be destroyed after the Inspector General finishes his inquiry. I would urge the Agency to reconsider that plan. Even if the videotape does not constitute an official record that must be preserved under the law, the videotape would be the best proof that the written record is accurate, if such record is called into question in the future. The fact of destruction would reflect badly on the Agency. <\/ul>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">And she asked directly whether President Bush had bought off on torture as a policy.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">\n<ul> I would like to know what kind of policy review took place and what questions were examined. In particular, I would like to know whether the most senior levels of the White House have determined that these practices are consistent with the principles and policies of the United States. Have enhanced techniques been authorized and approved by the President?<\/ul>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">In his <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.house.gov\/apps\/list\/press\/ca36_harman\/Jan_3.shtml\">response<\/a><\/strong> to her, Muller basically ignored her warning about the torture tapes. And he gave her a very indirect answer to the question that&ndash;under the National Security Act&ndash;she should have been able to get a direct answer on, whether or not Bush had signed off on the torture.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">\n<ul> While I do not think it appropriate for me to comment on issues that are a matter of policy, much less the nature and extent of Executive Branch policy deliberations, I think it would be fair to assume that policy as well as legal matters have been addressed within the Executive Branch.<\/ul>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">As it turns out, Scott Muller was not acting alone when he largely blew off Harman&rsquo;s concern. Document 28 of the <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.aclu.org\/files\/assets\/20091120_Govt_Para_4_55_Hardcopy_Vaughn_Index.pdf\">CIA&rsquo;s Vaughn Index<\/a><\/strong> on the torture tape destruction reveals that CIA met with the White House about its response to Harman. [There&rsquo;s also a one-page draft of the letter to Harman dated February 19.] The Vaughn Index describes the second email, which has the subject &ldquo;Harmon Letter,&rdquo; this way:<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">\n<ul>This is a one-page email, discussing a meeting between CIA and the White House regarding the CIA&rsquo;s response to a congressional inquiry. The document also includes the draft text of a letter to Congress. This document contains information relating to the sources and methods of the CIA. The document also contains predecisional, deliberative information, CIA attorney work-product, and information provided by a CIA attorney to his client in connection with the provision of legal advice.<\/ul>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">Thus, even though Harman&rsquo;s letter and Muller&rsquo;s response have been declassified, the CIA is claiming that we can&rsquo;t know what Muller advised [himself? Bush? Tenet? Precisely who is the CIA General Counsel&rsquo;s client, here?] about how to respond to Harman&rsquo;s inquiry. So we know that the White House weighed in on how to respond to Harman. We&rsquo;re just not allowed to know how they weighed in.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">I was writing earlier about <strong><font color=\"#200020\">DECEIT<\/font><\/strong>. Here, from a recent document dump, we begin to learn about some of the <strong><font color=\"#200020\">DECEIT<\/font><\/strong> in responding to Congressional Inquiries, specifically about torture and the [now destroyed] tapes of Abu Zubaydah&#8217;s waterboarding.&nbsp; Years before we knew about the Torture Program, before the Trial of and <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Judge Leonie Brinkema<\/font><\/strong>&#8216;s request, <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Jane Harman [D-CA] <\/font><\/strong>warned the C.I.A. not to destroy the tapes. And they were hardly forthcoming in response to her question as to whether Bush had been involved in the torture decisions. Apparently, <strong><font color=\"#200020\">C.I.A. Lawyer Scott Muller<\/font><\/strong> met with the White House to discuss responding to Congresswoman Harman.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">In the month before invading Iraq, the Administration was still pretty cocky. They just blew off <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Jane Harman<\/font><\/strong>&#8216;s attempts to find out about the Torture Program and the President&#8217;s involvement &#8211; having learned of the program as a member of the Congressional Oversight Committee. But they got increasingly wary and secretive as time passed. In April 2004, we learned about Abu Ghraib, then gradually learned that these were not isolated events, but spillover from official Torture Programs used from early on in the War on Terror. So by the time of <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Zacarias Moussaoui<\/font><\/strong>&#8216;s trial at the end of 2005, the C.I.A. was running scared. There was proposed legislation in Congress about Torture; Judge Brinkems was asking about video\/audio records, so the C.I.A. destroyed the evidence &#8211; before publicly acknowledging that it existed. It&#8217;s been six years since we invaded Iraq, and the information is still only dribbling out for bird-dogging bloggers to pore over to extract the truth.            <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">As a retired Psychiatrist, I still get piles of <em>throw-away<\/em> journals. One is the <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Psychiatric Times<\/font><\/strong> which I still peruse once and a while. In this issue, I was heartened to see that the lead article was <a href=\"http:\/\/www.searchmedica.com\/resource.html?rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psychiatrictimes.com%2Fdisplay%2Farticle%2F10168%2F1481838&#038;q=torture&#038;c=ps&#038;ss=psychTimesLink&#038;p=Convera&#038;fr=true&#038;ds=0&#038;srid=1\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Mental Health Professionals in the &ldquo;Enhanced&rdquo; Interrogation Room<\/font><\/strong><\/a>. It&#8217;s a good article, documenting the involvement of mental health types in the Torture Program, with commentary on how the various professional organizations have responded. It was one of the first times I&#8217;d seen a serious review of this program and what was being done to stop it from being repeated. As much as we owe to the bloggers who take the time to sift through the government documents as they are pried loose from the government, it&#8217;s important that this information be filtered out into the world at large. It&#8217;s a story that needs to be told over and over until it has been heard. The article ends:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"120\" hspace=\"4\" border=\"1\" align=\"right\" src=\"http:\/\/www.psychiatrictimes.com\/image\/image_gallery?img_id=1481845&#038;t=1256759657451\" \/>Medical personnel involved in interrogations not only forgot the then-existing ethics codes, but they also seemed to have forgotten about the Geneva Conventions, although 94% reported being familiar with their proscriptions against torture. Or, perhaps, they were mindful that the Commander in Chief had concluded that the Conventions were inapplicable to their conduct. If so, then they might have known that his decision also eliminated the protections of Protocol 1: &ldquo;Under no circumstances shall any person be punished for carrying out medical activities compatible with medical ethics, regardless of the person benefiting therefrom.&rdquo;<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">Perhaps this last point is the crux. Health care professionals were in a position to stop what the Administration and its lawyers had promoted, but the promoted position threatened not only the dignity of the detainees, but also the independent professionalism of health care providers.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">As the investigation announced by current Attorney General Eric Holder proceeds, maybe we in the legal and health care professions can find reason to hope that the past 8 years will provide incentive for our professional organizations to work together in support of both medical ethics and international human rights laws.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Jane Harman&#8217;s Letter to the C.I.A.<\/font><\/strong>:<\/div>\n<table cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"3\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tr>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\">February 10, 2003<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">Mr. Scott Muller<br \/>      General Counsel<br \/>      Central Intelligence Agency<br \/>      Washington, DC  20505<\/div>\n<p>         <\/p>\n<div>Dear Mr. Muller:<\/p>\n<p> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Last week&rsquo;s briefing brought home to me the difficult challenges faced by the Central Intelligence Agency in the current threat environment.  I realize we are at a time when the balance between security and liberty must be constantly evaluated and recalibrated in order to protect our nation and its people from catastrophic terrorist attack and I thus appreciate the obvious effort that you and your Office have made to address the tough questions.  At the briefing you assured us that the [redacted] approved by the Attorney General have been subject to an extensive review by lawyers at the Central Intelligence Agency, the Department of Justice and the National Security Council and found to be within the law.    <\/div>\n<p>    <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It is also the case, however, that what was described raises profound policy questions and I am concerned about whether these have been as rigorously examined as the legal questions.  I would like to know what kind of policy review took place and what questions were examined.  In particular, I would like to know whether the most senior levels of the White House have determined that these practices are consistent with the principles and policies of the United States.  Have enhanced techniques been authorized and approved by the President?    <\/div>\n<p>    <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You discussed the fact that there is videotape of Abu Zubaydah following his capture that will be destroyed after the Inspector General finishes his inquiry.  I would urge the Agency to reconsider that plan.  Even if the videotape does not constitute an official record that must be preserved under the law, the videotape would be the best proof that the written record is accurate, if such record is called into question in the future.  The fact of destruction would reflect badly on the Agency.     <\/div>\n<p>     I look forward to your response.<\/p>\n<p>         Sincerely,<\/p>\n<p>         JANE HARMAN <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong>UPDATE<\/strong>: <strong><font color=\"#006666\">emptywheel <\/font><\/strong>is on fire! <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/emptywheel.firedoglake.com\/2009\/11\/24\/torture-tapes-and-cia-retirements\/\" target=\"_blank\">Torture Tapes and CIA Retirements<\/a><\/strong>, <strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/emptywheel.firedoglake.com\/2009\/11\/24\/john-durhams-thirteen-documents\/\" title=\"Site: Emptywheel\">John Durham&rsquo;s Thirteen Documents<\/a><\/strong><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The CIA Asked to Destroy Torture Tapes on Same Day They Claimed They Didn&rsquo;t Torture By: emptywheel November 24, 2009 As William Ockham has noted, there is a new &ndash; very informative &ndash; Vaughn Index and Declaration out. I&rsquo;ll have much more to say about these. But for now, look at what documents 3 and [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3687","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3687","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3687"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3687\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3687"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3687"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3687"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}