{"id":3697,"date":"2009-12-01T09:10:56","date_gmt":"2009-12-01T13:10:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=3697"},"modified":"2009-12-01T09:10:56","modified_gmt":"2009-12-01T13:10:56","slug":"another-datapoint","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2009\/12\/01\/another-datapoint\/","title":{"rendered":"another datapoint&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<br \/>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/news\/worldnews\/middleeast\/iraq\/6693562\/Iraq-inquiry-Tony-Blair-asked-for-war-plans-to-be-prepared-in-June-2002.html\" target=\"_blank\">Iraq inquiry: Tony Blair asked for war plans to be prepared in June 2002<\/a><br \/>        Daily Telegraph, UK<\/strong><br \/>        By Gordon Rayner<br \/>        30 Nov 2009<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">Sir David said the former prime minister asked defence chiefs to prepare a    list of options for military support of a US-led invasion after being told    President Bush had set up a &ldquo;cell&rdquo; dedicated to planning for a war. <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Sir David also disclosed that President Bush and Mr Blair first discussed a    possible link between Saddam and the 2001 terrorist attacks on the US just    three days after 9\/11.<\/font><\/strong> Asked when Britain first decided to take part in military action, Sir David    said: &ldquo;The first time the Prime Minister asked for military options was in    June 2002&#8230;<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"> He said in September 2002 the Ministry of Defence was asked to attend a    planning conference with their US counterparts in Florida, when Mr Blair    said Britain would be willing to provide the second military &ldquo;package&rdquo;, but    by October, following further discussions between Mr Blair and defence    chiefs, &ldquo;there was an acceptance that if it came to military action we would    be willing to move to package three&rdquo;&#8230;  <\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">As the Iraq Inquiry entered its second week, Sir David was asked when    President Bush first linked Iraq to 9\/11. He said: &ldquo;As far as I&rsquo;m aware the first time the president mentioned Iraq to    the Prime Minister was on September 14 in a telephone call and he said he    thought there might be evidence that there was some connection between    Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.<\/font><\/strong><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"> &ldquo;The Prime Minister&rsquo;s response was that the evidence would have to be very    compelling indeed to justify taking any action against Iraq.&rdquo; By April 2002, however, following a meeting between the President and the    Prime Minister, Mr Blair had begun talking about &ldquo;regime change&rdquo; in Iraq. Last week Sir Christopher Meyer, former ambassador to Washington, suggested Mr    Blair and Mr Bush might have &ldquo;signed in blood&rdquo; an agreement to topple Saddam    during that meeting at the President&rsquo;s ranch in Crawford, Texas, but Sir    David insisted there was &ldquo;no war plan&rdquo; at that stage.  <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\"> He said: &ldquo;The president did set up a small cell in Central Command in Florida    and he had asked Central Command to do some planning and think through the    various options.&rdquo; By August 2002 &ldquo;the message was that either the regime must change through the    UN or it would be changed through military action. &ldquo;The President said that if Saddam Hussein implemented the UN resolutions [on    weapons of mass destruction] we would have succeeded in changing the regime.    He said, in a rather colourful phrase, we would have crated the guy&rdquo;&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">So, on the eve of Obama&#8217;s announcing a &quot;Surge&quot; in Afghanistan,&quot; we&#8217;re being bombarded with little pieces of the truth from eight years ago &#8211; Senator Kerry&#8217;s Report on Tora Bora and the UK Chilcot inquiry on Iraq. Here, we have Bush talking about Saddam Hussein&#8217;s al Qaeda ties to Tony Blair three days after 9\/11. Recall Rumsfeld&#8217;s notes on the afternoon of 9\/11 [with my annotations]:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"374\" vspace=\"5\" height=\"500\" border=\"1\" src=\"http:\/\/farm1.static.flickr.com\/40\/100545349_5b1d39bc5f.jpg\" \/><\/div>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">The way I would read this today is that it&#8217;s all about whether they could justify attacking Iraq immediately:<\/div>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"> &quot;info fast&quot; &quot;<strike>judge whether<\/strike> good enough&quot; &quot;judge whether hit S.H. same time&quot; &quot;not only UBL.&quot;<br \/><strong><font color=\"#990000\"><em>We need to judge whether we have enough information to justify attacking Iraq immediately.<\/em><\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\">&quot;tasks Jim Haynes to talk with PW for additional support vis a vis ___ &amp; connection with UBL.&quot;<br \/><strong><font color=\"#990000\"><em>Get Jim Haynes to talk to Paul Wolfowitz to find additional support for the connections between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.<\/em><\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\">&quot;hard to get a good case&quot; &quot;need to move swiftly&quot; &quot;near term target needs&quot; &quot;go massive&quot; &quot;sweep it all up&quot; &quot;things related and not&quot; &quot;need to do so to get anything useful.&quot;<br \/><strong><font color=\"#990000\"><em>It&#8217;s hard to make the case that bin Laden and Saddam Hussein are connected, so we need to move quickly and massively to find evidence of their connections before the evidence is lost. <\/em><\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">So now we read that three days after 9\/11, Bush tells the British Prime Minister that &quot;he    thought there might be evidence that there was some connection between    Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.&quot; There was no such evidence <u>YET<\/u>, but they were working on it&#8230;<\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Iraq inquiry: Tony Blair asked for war plans to be prepared in June 2002 Daily Telegraph, UK By Gordon Rayner 30 Nov 2009 Sir David said the former prime minister asked defence chiefs to prepare a list of options for military support of a US-led invasion after being told President Bush had set up a [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[2],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3697","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-politics"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3697","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3697"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3697\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3697"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3697"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3697"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}