{"id":37734,"date":"2013-06-20T19:46:26","date_gmt":"2013-06-20T23:46:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=37734"},"modified":"2013-06-21T01:22:12","modified_gmt":"2013-06-21T05:22:12","slug":"37734","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2013\/06\/20\/37734\/","title":{"rendered":"impossible situations&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<br \/>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"big\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/neuroskeptic\/2013\/06\/20\/the-trolley-problem-with-science\/\">The Trolley Problem With Science<\/a><br \/>                <strong><font color=\"#990000\">Discover Magazine<\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"middle\">By Neuroskeptic<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\">June 20, 2013<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">Imagine a scientist who does an  experiment, and doesn&rsquo;t like the results. Perhaps the scientist had  hoped to see a certain pattern of findings and is disappointed that it&rsquo;s  not there. Suppose that this scientist therefore decided to <strong>manipulate<\/strong>  the data. She goes into the spreadsheet and adds new, made-up data  points, until she obtains a statistically significant result she likes,  and publishes it. That&rsquo;s bad.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Now, start this scenario over. Suppose that rather than making up data, the scientist <strong>throws it out<\/strong>.  She runs the experiment again and again [without changing it], throwing  out the results every time they&rsquo;re wrong, until eventually, by chance,  she obtains a statistically significant result she likes, and publishes  it. Is that bad?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Yes, but isn&rsquo;t it<em> less obviously<\/em> bad than data fabrication?  I&rsquo;m talking about an intuitive level. We feel that fabrication is  clearly outrageous, fraudulent. Cherry-picking is bad, no-one denies it,  but it doesn&rsquo;t generate feelings to the same extent. Cherry-picking goes on in science, and I don&rsquo;t know a scientist who doubts that <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/blogs.discovermagazine.com\/neuroskeptic\/2012\/10\/03\/the-two-problems-with-science\/#.UcNVX9jZeSo\">it&rsquo;s more common than fraud<\/a>.  Yet we treat fraud much more harshly, regardless of the extent of the  manipulation or the amount of money and prestige at stake. One fabricated point of data is misconduct; a thousand unpublished points of data is merely a &lsquo;<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.psychologicalscience.org\/index.php\/news\/releases\/questionable-research-practices-surprisingly-common.html\">questionable practice<\/a>&lsquo;. Why?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I think it&rsquo;s <strong>a <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Trolley_problem\">trolley problem<\/a><\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"140\" hspace=\"4\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/trolley.gif\" \/>Imagine an out of control trolley was going to smash into five people  and kill them. You happen to be standing by a lever that would divert  the trolley onto another track, where it would hit a person, and kill  him. Do you pull it? Many people say that they would not pull the lever, even though this  means that four extra deaths occur. They wouldn&rsquo;t pull it because they  don&rsquo;t like the idea of <em>committing <\/em>the act of killing someone. Even though the decision <em>not<\/em> to act causes more harm, it doesn&rsquo;t feel as bad, because it&rsquo;s [in some intuitive sense] an act of <em>omission<\/em>. Even people who do pull the lever feel conflicted about it.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">I think the mentality is the same in science. Data fabrication is like pulling the lever &ndash; it&rsquo;s <em>committing<\/em> deception. Cherry-picking is a sin of <em>omission<\/em>  &ndash; you wait for the right data to come to you, and report that, omitting  to report the rest of the data that points to a different conclusion. The end result is the same &ndash; misleading results. But they feel different.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">Neuroskeptic presents us with an interesting variant on the theme of the double-bind [impossible situation] because it adds another variable &#8211; volition and responsibility. So no matter what you do, you&#8217;re wrong &#8211; a variation on the classic paradigm of <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Sophie&#8217;s Choice<\/font><\/strong> by William Styron. In the usual double bind, the right thing to do in an impossible situation is nothing. But in Sophie&#8217;s Choice, that option was taken from her. Choose which child will be killed, but if you don&#8217;t choose, both will be killed. In Neurospeptic&#8217;s Trolley Problem, there&#8217;s a right choice [pull the lever], but you become a murderer in the process. If you make the wrong choice [do nothing], you are guilty of murder five times over, but you have <em>plausible deniability<\/em> &#8211; &quot;I was paralyzed&quot;, something like that.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">The way he frames the Trolley Problem addresses something very real in the world of Clinical trials, the strategic place of &quot;<strong><font color=\"#200020\">missing studies<\/font><\/strong>.&quot; It&#8217;s the &quot;All&quot; the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alltrials.net\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><font color=\"#990000\">AllTrials<\/font><\/strong><\/a> petition and the &quot;I&quot; in the <strong><font color=\"#200020\">RIAT<\/font><\/strong> proposal [&quot;I&quot; for <em>Invisible<\/em>] &#8211; studies that have gone missing. It&#8217;s a pretty obvious problem. If you do five clinical trials and have one that&#8217;s significant at the p&lt;0.05 level and the others show no significant difference, it&#8217;s a bust &#8211; unless you <u>only<\/u> publish the significant study. And that&#8217;s what has been done over and over. Here&#8217;s a recycled piece from an earlier blog post [<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2013\/02\/01\/gone-missing\/\">gone missing&hellip;<\/a>] to make that point real: <\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"big\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.nejm.org\/doi\/full\/10.1056\/NEJMsa065779#t=article\">Selective Publication of Antidepressant Trials and Its Influence on Apparent Efficacy<\/a><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\">by Erick H. Turner, Annette M. Matthews, Eftihia Linardatos, Robert A. Tell, and Robert Rosenthal<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"middle\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">New England Journal of Medicine.<\/font><\/strong> 2008 358:252-260.<br \/>                    [<strong><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.nejm.org\/doi\/full\/10.1056\/NEJMsa065779#t=article\">full text on-line<\/a><\/strong>]<\/div>\n<p>               <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong><u><font color=\"#200020\">Background<\/font><\/u><\/strong>:  Evidence-based medicine is valuable to the extent that the evidence  base is complete and unbiased. Selective publication of clinical trials &mdash;  and the outcomes within those trials &mdash; can lead to unrealistic  estimates of drug effectiveness and alter the apparent risk&ndash;benefit  ratio.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong><u><font color=\"#200020\">Methods<\/font><\/u><\/strong>:  We obtained reviews from the Food and Drug Administration [FDA] for  studies of 12 antidepressant agents involving 12,564 patients. We  conducted a systematic literature search to identify matching  publications. For trials that were reported in the literature, we  compared the published outcomes with the FDA outcomes. We also compared  the effect size derived from the published reports with the effect size  derived from the entire FDA data set.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong><u><font color=\"#200020\">Results<\/font><\/u><\/strong>:Among  74 FDA-registered studies, 31%, accounting for 3449 study participants,  were not published. Whether and how the studies were published were  associated with the study outcome. A total of 37 studies viewed by the  FDA as having positive results were published; 1 study viewed as  positive was not published. Studies viewed by the FDA as having negative  or questionable results were, with 3 exceptions, either not published  [22 studies] or published in a way that, in our opinion, conveyed a  positive outcome [11 studies]. According to the published literature, it  appeared that 94% of the trials conducted were positive. By contrast,  the FDA analysis showed that 51% were positive. Separate meta-analyses  of the FDA and journal data sets showed that the increase in effect size  ranged from 11 to 69% for individual drugs and was 32% overall.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><strong><u><font color=\"#200020\">Conclusions<\/font><\/u><\/strong>:We  cannot determine whether the bias observed resulted from a failure to  submit manuscripts on the part of authors and sponsors, from decisions  by journal editors and reviewers not to publish, or both. Selective  reporting of clinical trial results may have adverse consequences for  researchers, study participants, health care professionals, and  patients.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">First off, this article only looks at the studies  submitted to the FDA. The FDA rule is that the sponsor is required to  submit at least two studies showing significant <strong><font color=\"#200020\">efficacy<\/font><\/strong>, but is required to submit all studies done to look at <strong><font color=\"#200020\">safety<\/font><\/strong>&#8230;&nbsp; So here&rsquo;s what  they found when they looked at whether the studies submitted to the FDA  were published in the peer-reviewed literature:  <\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"281\" vspace=\"5\" height=\"294\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/pub-bias-1.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\">The <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Published, conflicts with FDA decision<\/font><\/strong> category refers to studies that the FDA said were negative or questionable that were published as positive [<em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">dodgy studies<\/font><\/strong><\/em>]. The <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Not published<\/font><\/strong> categories refers to the studies <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">gone missing<\/font><\/em><\/strong>. They go on to show us which pharmaceutical companies were the worst offenders:  <\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"500\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/pub-bias-2.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"> So that&rsquo;s a 45% fudge factor [11 dodgy + 22 gone missing &divide; 74 total trials]. <strong><font color=\"#200020\">That&rsquo;s totally horrible! Grand Jury horrible!<\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">So let&#8217;s go back and pretend analyze the hapless victim at the lever in the Trolley Problem. If he&#8217;s an internally secure, self assured guy, he pulls the lever without a thought. If anyone later calls him a murderer, he looks at them like they&#8217;ve got rocks for brains and says, &quot;I saved four lives!&quot; But if he&#8217;s a person whose self image is determined by the opinions of others, real or imagined, he really is paralyzed by what he thinks others will think [or what his overly harsh conscience will think]. How he is viewed [externally or internally] over-rides his logic [and his basic arithmetic].<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">Is that the problem of the PHARMA Executive? Is he in a double-bind? an impossible situation? driven by the shape of his self system? Hell no. He&#8217;s not in a double bind, he&#8217;s just making a choice about which way to cheat &#8211; fraud or cherry picking. Neuroskeptic is 100% correct that from the outside we might see the latter as a sin of omission &#8211; a lesser sin. But more to the point, the Executive is way much less likely to get caught by not publishing. <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Until I saw Ben Goldacre&#8217;s first<\/font><\/strong> <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2012\/09\/22\/something-of-value\/\"><strong><font color=\"#990000\">Ted Talk<\/font><\/strong><\/a> <strong><font color=\"#200020\">nine months ago, I had <u>never<\/u> even thought about missing trials as a strategy.<\/font><\/strong> And having spent some time trolling the FDA files and clinicaltrials.gov, I have nothing but respect for the authors of that study up there for their stick-to-it-ness. The <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Invisible<\/font><\/strong> in <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Restoring Invisible and Abandoned Trials<\/font><\/strong> was well chosen term &#8211; they really are.       <\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">The kind of double bind the PHARMA Marketing Executive lives with isn&#8217;t like that of Styron&#8217;s Sophie or Neuroskeptic&#8217;s Trolley Switchman, it&#8217;s the one we call <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Conflict of Interest<\/font><\/strong>. It&#8217;s a conflict between getting caught jury-rigging a study or getting caught burying the negative ones. Like the other kinds of double binds, there are two wrong choices, and going missing is simply the safer pick. But this kind of double-bind has a right choice &#8211; give up on the ineffective drug and look for another. That&#8217;s why we call it a  <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Conflict of Interest<\/font><\/strong>, because to make the right choice is not in the PHARMA Marketing Executive&#8217;s or his company&#8217;s best&nbsp; <strong><font color=\"#200020\">interest<\/font><\/strong>. Neither Sophie nor the Switchman have criminal intent. Our Executive does, and his bind is more in the range of the risk assessment of a thief measuring the odds of getting caught.   <\/p>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">Parenthetically, the two bad choices in this  <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Conflict of Interest <\/font><\/strong>aren&#8217;t mutually exclusive. GSK jury-rigged Paxil Study 329 <u>and<\/u> didn&#8217;t publish the two negative trials of Paxil in adolescents [<a href=\"http:\/\/www.gsk.com\/media\/resource-centre\/paroxetine\/paroxetine-paediatric-and-adolescent-patients.html\" target=\"_blank\">377 &amp; 701<\/a>] until five years later when they were under fire [<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/16553530\">Evaluation of suicidal thoughts and behaviors in children and adolescents taking paroxetine<\/a>]&#8230;<\/div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<p align=\"center\" class=\"big\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">The Real Double Binds:<\/font><\/strong><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">Who is in the real double bind? The practicing doctor and the patient. As a doctor I&#8217;m reading the respected peer reviewed journal that I&#8217;ve counted on since medical school, and I read &quot;<strong><font color=\"#200020\"><em>Paroxetine is generally well tolerated and effective for major depression in adolescents<\/em>.<\/font><\/strong>&quot; I&#8217;m counting on the editor, the reviewers, the academic physicians at the honored universities who wrote the article and tested the drug to give me the straight story. But I now know that some of these clinical trials have been jiggered with. I know that sometimes they hide the negative studies. Is this one of the bad ones? Are there even any good ones? Which way to turn?<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">As a patient, I&#8217;m used to trusting the doctor. But I know some doctors are &quot;KOLs&quot; or are influenced by Drug Reps. I know that some of the information given to doctors has been tampered with. But I&#8217;m really depressed and desperate for relief. My friend said try exercise and meditation, but it hasn&#8217;t helped. I&#8217;m afraid of medication and afraid not to take it. Which way to turn?<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">The real solution for Sophie? for the Switchman? for the Doctor? for the Patient? is for none of them to be in their respective situations in the first place. We can&#8217;t help Sophie or the Switchman, but perhaps we should talk more about how doctors and patients can proceed in these current days of confusion instead of just decrying them. For the long haul, we can&#8217;t accept the situation continuing. So support the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.alltrials.net\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong><font color=\"#990000\">AllTrials<\/font><\/strong><\/a> petition and the <strong><font color=\"#200020\">RIAT<\/font><\/strong> proposal. They are thus far two solid paths towards reclaiming the knowledge base that has become corrupted for all of us&#8230;<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Trolley Problem With Science Discover Magazine By Neuroskeptic June 20, 2013 Imagine a scientist who does an experiment, and doesn&rsquo;t like the results. Perhaps the scientist had hoped to see a certain pattern of findings and is disappointed that it&rsquo;s not there. Suppose that this scientist therefore decided to manipulate the data. 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