{"id":37936,"date":"2013-06-24T00:03:11","date_gmt":"2013-06-24T04:03:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=37936"},"modified":"2013-06-24T00:06:19","modified_gmt":"2013-06-24T04:06:19","slug":"guidelines-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2013\/06\/24\/guidelines-2\/","title":{"rendered":"guidelines&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>I had just written <a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2013\/06\/23\/another-thing\/#comment-246232\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a> in the comments,<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em>I have developed a reflex high alert whenever treatment <strong>algorithms<\/strong> or treatment <strong>guidelines<\/strong>  are on the table. I&rsquo;m sure my head is as filled with algorithms as any  doctor, but I&rsquo;m suspicious of them coming from the outside. They can be a  way to &ldquo;push&rdquo; drugs for one thing. But they also can make people  careless. <\/em><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">then I looked over the other blogs I follow and saw a reference to the article below on Pharmagossip. It&#8217;s in the British Medical Journal:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"big\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/346\/bmj.f3830\">Evidence Based Medicine<br \/>        Why we can&rsquo;t trust clinical guidelines<\/a><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\">by Jeanne Lenzer<span class=\"contrib-role\">, medical investigative journalist<\/span><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"middle\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">BMJ<\/font><\/strong> 2013;346doi: http:\/\/dx.doi.org\/10.1136\/bmj.f3830 [Published 14 June 2013]<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\">[full text @ <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/346\/bmj.f3830\">BMJ<\/a> or on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/pharmagossip.blogspot.com\/2013\/06\/evidence-based-medicine-why-we-cant.html\">Pharmagossip<\/a>]<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">&#8230;Guidelines are usually issued by large panels of authors  representing specialty and other professional organisations. While it  might seem difficult to bias a guideline with so many experts  participating under the sponsorship of large professional bodies, a  worrying number of cases suggests that it may be common. A recent survey found that 71% of chairs of clinical policy committees and 90.5% of co-chairs had financial conflicts.&nbsp;Such conflicts can have a strong impact: FDA advisers reviewing the  safety record of the progestogen drospirenone voted that the drug&rsquo;s  benefits outweighed any risks. However, a substantial number of the  advisers had ties to the manufacturer and if their votes had been  excluded the decision would have been reversed.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">Biased guidelines can have powerful and wide ranging effects. Thousands of guidelines have been issued, and, when promulgated by highly respected professional societies, they  sometimes serve as de facto &ldquo;standards of care&rdquo; that may be used to  devise institutional protocols, to develop measures of physician  performance, and for insurance coverage decisions. Guidelines may  influence the medicines selected for inclusion on drug formularies and  may be used as a &ldquo;reliable authority&rdquo; to support expert testimony in  malpractice suits. Eighty four per cent of doctors say they are concerned about industry influence over clinical guidelines,  yet the fear of malpractice suits puts many in an untenable position of  following guidelines they believe are flawed or dangerous to patients. Despite repeated calls to prohibit or limit conflicts of interests among guideline authors and their sponsors, most guideline panellists have conflicts, making the guidelines they issue less than reliable&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">Of course you ought to read this whole article. Maybe it should be tattooed to the inside of the eyelids of all graduating medical students. It&#8217;s a tragedy that it even had to be written.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">I recall a time in my training when I had a little black notebook [we called the &quot;ectopic brain&quot;] with all kinds of protocols, algorithms, guidelines written in to remind me of all the things that needed doing in specific situations. They weren&#8217;t injunctions, just guides for a novice. Things like what to do for Pulmonary Edema, Diabetic Coma, the Acute Abdomen, Septic Shock, etc. My head and my book were full of such things. Then there were <em>real guidelines<\/em> pasted cut out and pasted in like the ADA recommendations for Diabetic Management or the work-up for hypertension and treatment guidelines. It was a book for the Intern I was and it disappeared by the end of the year, to be seen no more. My point being that part of what&#8217;s called <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">experience<\/font><\/strong><\/em> is an internal collection of algorithms and guidelines gathered by anyone, doctor or auto mechanic, over the course of a professional life.       <\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">But this article is about something else. It&#8217;s about expert guidelines put together by biased experts &#8211; and it gives concrete examples of instances where those guidelines have been heavily compromised by the industry ties of the authors &#8211; examples resulting in unnecessary treatment and actual increased mortality. In psychiatry, there are plenty of examples &#8211; like the whole <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Texas Medical Algorithm Program<\/font><\/strong> [TMAP] that has never been fully exposed. If you&#8217;ve read this blog much, you&#8217;ve probably noticed that I have been unusually vigilant about the publications of Dr. Madhukar Trivedi like the last several posts. It&#8217;s because of his fixation on algorithms and guidelines. When I looked into the source for the algorithms in these computerized systems below, I never found them. They were just what he and unknown others thought. It was the same for TMAP or STAR*D. Opinions:     <\/p>\n<table width=\"90%\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"2\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\">\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">1.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/15990487\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Computerized medication algorithms and decision support systems in major psychiatric disorders<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u>.  <br \/>               <sup>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong><font color=\"#990000\">Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH, Kern JK, Baker SM, et al:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Journal of Psychiatric Practice 6:237&ndash;246, 2000<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">2.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Computerized medical algorithms in behavioral health care, in Behavioral Health Care Informatics<\/font><\/strong>.  <br \/>               <sup>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong><font color=\"#990000\">Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH, Kern JK, Voegle T, et al:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Edited by Dewan NA, Lorenzi N, Riley R, Bhattacharya SR. New York, Springer-Verlag, 2001<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">3.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/12501817\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Development and implementation of computerized clinical guidelines: barriers and solutions<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u>.  <br \/>               <sup> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong><font color=\"#990000\">Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH, Kern JK, Marcee AK, et al:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Methods of Information in Medicine 41:435&ndash;442, 2002<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">4.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/psychservices.psychiatryonline.org\/cgi\/reprint\/55\/8\/879.pdf\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">A Computerized Clinical Decision Support System as a Means of Implementing Depression Guidelines<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u>.  <br \/>               <sup>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong><font color=\"#990000\">Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH, Kern JK, et al:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Psychiatric Services 55:879&ndash;885, 2004<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">5.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><u><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.biomedcentral.com\/content\/supplementary\/1472-6947-9-6-S1.pdf\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Assessing physicians&rsquo; use of treatment algorithms: Project IMPACTS study design and rationale<\/font><\/strong><\/a><\/u>. <br \/>               <sup>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong><font color=\"#990000\">Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH, Claassen CA, et al:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Contemp Clin Trials. 28(2):192-212, 2007<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">6.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.biomedcentral.com\/1472-6947\/9\/6\" target=\"_blank\"><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Barriers   to implementation of a computerized decision support system  for   depression: an observational report on lessons learned in &quot;real  world&quot;   clinical settings<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a>. <br \/>               <sup>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong><font color=\"#990000\">&nbsp;Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH, Daly EJ, Kern JK, et al:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;BMC Medical Informatics and Decision Making, 9:6, 2009<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">7.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pmc\/articles\/PMC2736031\/\"><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">A computerized decision support system for depression in primary care<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a>.  <br \/>               <sup>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kurian BT, <strong><font color=\"#990000\">Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH, Grannemann BD, et al:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Primary Care Companion, Journal of Clinical Psychiatry,11(4):140-1466, 2009<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td width=\"10\" valign=\"top\" align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">8.<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td align=\"justify\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov\/pubmed\/22244032\"><u><strong> <font color=\"#200020\">Using algorithms and computerized decision support systems to treat major depression.<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/a> <br \/>               <sup>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Shelton RC and <strong><font color=\"#990000\">Trivedi<\/font><\/strong> MH:  <br \/>               &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Journal of Clinical Psychiatry,72(12):e36,  2011<\/sup><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p>        <\/p>\n<div>And when I look at his Conflict of Interest declaration, the list boggles my mind. There&#8217;s no way I could trust his opinion [list from the article in the last three posts]:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em>Madhukar H. Trivedi is or has been an advisor\/consultant to, or on the Speakers&rsquo; Bureaus within the past 3 yr and anticipates receiving fees in the near future for: Abbott Laboratories, Inc., Abdi Ibrahim, Akzo [Organon Pharmaceuticals Inc.], Alkermes, AstraZeneca, Axon Advisors, Bristol-Myers Squibb Company, Cephalon, Inc., Eli Lilly &amp; Company, Evotec, Fabre Kramer Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Forest Pharmaceuticals, GlaxoSmithKline, Janssen Pharmaceutica Products, LP, Johnson &amp; Johnson PRD, Libby, Lundbeck, Meade Johnson, MedAvante, Medtronic, Naurex, Neuronetics, Otsuka Pharmaceuticals, Pamlab, Parke-Davis Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Pfizer Inc., PgxHealth, Rexahn Pharmaceuticals, Sepracor, SHIRE Development, Sierra, SK Life and Science, Takeda, Tal Medical\/ Puretech Venture, Transcept, VantagePoint and Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories. In addition, he has received research support from: Corcept Therapeutics, Inc., Cyberonics, Inc., Merck, Novartis, Pharmacia &amp; Upjohn, Predix Pharmaceuticals [Epix], Solvay Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Targacept and Valient.<\/em><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">It&#8217;s not really fair to single him out, because there are so many COI lists that look like his. And in the article in the BMJ, they talk about panels of people on guideline committees with COI connections that relate to the specific guidelines. Here&#8217;s an example where one powerful person was the COI epicenter of a guideline:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">In the early 1990s, high dose steroids became the standard of care for acute spinal cord injury,<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/346\/bmj.f3830#ref-6\"><\/a>  reinforced by a Cochrane review. The Cochrane Collaboration, is widely  known to have strict standards concerning conflicts of interest, yet in  this case the collaboration permitted Michael Bracken, who declared he  was an occasional consultant to steroid manufacturers Pharmacia and  Upjohn, to serve as the sole reviewer. He was also the lead researcher on the single landmark study, published in the <em>New England Journal of Medicine<\/em>, used to support the Cochrane review.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">Neurosurgeons  were not convinced. Many expressed concern about high rates of  infection, prolonged hospital stays, and death with high dose steroids.  One expert estimated that more patients had been killed by the  treatment in the past decade than died in the 9\/11 World Trade Center  attacks. A  poll of over 1000 neurosurgeons showed that only 11% believed the  treatment was safe and effective. Only 6% thought it should be a  standard of care. Yet when asked if they would continue prescribing the  treatment, 60% said that they would. Many cited a fear of malpractice if  they failed to follow &ldquo;a standard of care.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">That  standard was reversed this March, when the Congress of Neurological  Surgeons issued new guidelines. The congress found that, &ldquo;There is no  Class I or Class II medicine evidence supporting the benefit of  [steroids] in the treatment of acute [spinal cord injury]. However,  Class I, II, and III evidence exists that high-dose steroids are  associated with harmful side effects including death&rdquo;&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">The thing I find so frustrating is that these problems seem so obvious to me. It doesn&#8217;t take a moral giant or a bioethicist to see the impossibility of trusting guidelines constructed by doctors who are in the employ of these manufacturers. It is one of those things that comes under the domain of, &quot;<em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">We hold these truths to be self evident<\/font><\/strong><\/em>.&quot; So that&#8217;s why I say that &quot;<em>It&#8217;s a tragedy that it even had to be written.<\/em>&quot; And I don&#8217;t even think this is strong enough:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">Concern about the credibility of guidelines led the Institute of  Medicine to recommend that ideally no guideline authors should have  financial conflicts of interest.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/346\/bmj.f3830#ref-14\"><\/a>  If individuals who have professional conflicts that can&rsquo;t be divested [for example, specialists whose career depends on treating a certain  condition] are included, the institute recommends that they &ldquo;should  represent not more than a minority&rdquo; of the panellists.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">I see no reason for compromise here. The reason given for these softening remarks is that so many <em>experts <\/em>have conflicts of interest that they can&#8217;t find enough people to be on a panel. What I&#8217;d say in that case is either don&#8217;t produce the guideline, or give the task to a bunch of young idealistic medical students or early trainees walking around writing things in their &quot;ectopic brains&quot; &#8211; people who come from a more innocent time of life. What we&#8217;re doing now is embarrassing. Clinical Guidelines, like a lot of the CME, has become too corrupted to continue. One reason to read this article in full is that a lot of practicing physicians in the examples don&#8217;t follow these corrupted recommendations. Good on them. And a lot of people refuse to go to industry financed CME [see <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pharmedout.org\/pharmafree.htm\">pharmed out<\/a>]. 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