{"id":38902,"date":"2013-08-02T22:00:08","date_gmt":"2013-08-03T02:00:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=38902"},"modified":"2013-08-07T20:47:29","modified_gmt":"2013-08-08T00:47:29","slug":"the-wrong-we","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2013\/08\/02\/the-wrong-we\/","title":{"rendered":"the wrong <u><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/u>&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<div align=\"justify\">All those pictures you saw on the news last night and this morning of the flash floods in North Georgia happened within a few miles of my cabin &#8211; 8&quot; of rain overnight with exploding power stations is something to behold. So my last post [<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2013\/08\/01\/all-better-now\/\">all better now?&hellip;<\/a>] was dashed off during the intervals where I had Internet service &#8211; which came and went throughout the day. Today has been less hectic, and I wanted to say some more about Dr. Lieberman&#8217;s article in the Psychiatric News [<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/psychnews.psychiatryonline.org\/newsarticle.aspx?articleID=1723795\">Time to Re-Engage With Pharma?<\/a>]. Like most of us writing about his article, I focused on:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">But let&rsquo;s face it, they need us and <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> need them. We must recognize the  important, beneficial role that drug companies have long played in all  areas of medicine. While not minimizing problems, we simultaneously must  remember how products have improved the quality of health care and  quality of life in our society, and their funding has helped to advance  research, public outreach, and training&#8230;<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">The contributions that pharmaceutical companies make to our society do  not excuse any past or present excesses, misbehavior, or unethical  activity. But the most honest assessment acknowledges the good as well  as the bad. And the truth is that the industry is indispensable. Our  society needs the private sector to advance critical drug and device  development and distribution. Physicians need companies to provide the  materials and training on how treatments should be used. Certainly,  scientists need support from the same in the form of sponsored research  and fellowships that contribute to the future of the medical profession&#8230;<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">In psychiatry, past problems arose when companies engaged in aggressive  marketing practices in the guise of educational activities and paying  clinicians and researchers&mdash;so-called key opinion leaders&mdash;for their  advice or research in ways that were perceived as potential conflicts of  interest. The issue came to a head in 2007 when Sens. Herb Kohl and  Charles Grassley held hearings on the financial relationships between  drug and device companies and psychiatrists and called for corrective  and punitive actions. <strong><font color=\"#800000\"><u>Ironically<\/u>, somehow in this process, our field  became the poster child for physician misbehavior.<\/font><\/strong> The attention and  criticism prompted universities to adopt stricter ethics and  financial-disclosure policies, and professional associations, including  APA, to pull back and keep companies at arm&rsquo;s length&#8230;<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">I wanted to revisit the two underlined words: <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> and <strong><font color=\"#800000\"><u>Ironically<\/u><\/font><\/strong>. I&#8217;ll start with <strong><font color=\"#800000\">Ironically<\/font><\/strong>. I don&#8217;t see anything remotely ironic about the field of psychiatry being seen as the poster child for physician misbehavior. He implies that we didn&#8217;t come by that moniker honestly. Senator Grassley&#8217;s list had three Chairmen of prominent Departments of Psychiatry, a soon to be Dean of a major Medical School,&nbsp; and the President of the American Psychiatric Association &#8211; and all of them earned their places in the investigation honestly. Our literature is filled with distorted Clinical Trial reports guest authored by people in high places in our field. The preponderance of inflated blockbuster drugs were psychoactive drugs, and the record holding settlements against pharmaceutical companies were for psychiatric medications with, again, psychiatrists in high places prominently placed on the court docket. There was nothing ironic about out poster child status. We earned that label fair and square to our own great shame.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">In fact, it was Dr. Lieberman&#8217;s logic [&quot;<em>let&rsquo;s face it, they need us and <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> need them<\/em>&quot;] that got us there. And that brings up the second word, <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u>. Back in the early 1980s, I was in academic medicine and a part of the <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> he&#8217;s referring to. <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> were in a severe funding crunch, lacking the kind of high value services that allow other specialties to generate funding for academic departments and activities. The <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> of academic psychiatry were rescued by the influx of money from the pharmaceutical companies that came with the medicalization of psychiatry. For a million reasons scattered throughout this blog, I wasn&#8217;t involved with what followed. So what I know about what happened is as something of an outsider, but I saw enough to know that <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> wasn&#8217;t our patients nor necessarily practicing psychiatrists. <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> was organized and academic psychiatry. <strong><font color=\"#200020\">PsychPractice<\/font><\/strong> has a nice post about who <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> were and the why of things [<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/psychpracticemd.blogspot.com\/2013\/08\/who-needs-who.html\">Who Needs Who<\/a>].<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">Dr. Lieberman talks the talk of the 1980s. <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> need research money and other funds to operate our institutions. That money has come from the pharmaceutical industry for decades. His article suggests that he sees our future is in going that route again. His article says, &quot;Have <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> done enough to get back to that system?&quot; I find that discouraging. In fact, I find everything he writes discouraging [<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/09\/30\/psychiatry-inc\/\">psychiatry inc&hellip;<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2012\/05\/25\/prove-it\/\">prove it&hellip;<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2013\/06\/27\/38058\/\">humility about now&hellip;<\/a>, etc.]. It&#8217;s hard to trust what he writes here, at least hard for me:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">We now are moving forward with careful vigilance in ways that recognize  the value of industry relationships. Under the auspices of the American  Psychiatric Foundation (APF), interactions with industry are helping to  restore important relationships. I recently attended an APF Corporate  Advisory Council meeting at which representatives from 14 companies were  present. It was clear that they desired re-engagement with physicians  and researchers, and, most importantly, they understood that all such  interactions must be transparent, rigorously monitored, and without  conflict of interest. I know that talking about relationships between  psychiatrists and pharmaceutical companies makes people nervous. But  speaking for myself, I believe that the rules and models for  informational, educational, and research engagement can and should be  developed and applied in ways that allow for our optimal engagement with  companies. Doing so would not only help us learn from the mistakes of  the past; it would help us improve the future for our profession and our  patients.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\">I think Dr. Lieberman has got the wrong <u><strong><font color=\"#800000\">we<\/font><\/strong><\/u> in his mind, and apparently doesn&#8217;t know it&#8230; <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>All those pictures you saw on the news last night and this morning of the flash floods in North Georgia happened within a few miles of my cabin &#8211; 8&quot; of rain overnight with exploding power stations is something to behold. 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