{"id":44253,"date":"2014-02-23T17:32:07","date_gmt":"2014-02-23T22:32:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=44253"},"modified":"2014-02-23T17:40:33","modified_gmt":"2014-02-23T22:40:33","slug":"or-maybe-never","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2014\/02\/23\/or-maybe-never\/","title":{"rendered":"or maybe never&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p align=\"justify\">I love the Olympics. It&#8217;s always the same. It starts with great conflict in the air &#8211; the Ukraine, Terrorists, discrimination, not-ready hotel rooms, who was that lady sitting with Putin?, etc. And then things settle down and you worry about the US atheletes for a while, crestfallen when the heros lose. And by the end, you&#8217;re watching some crazy sport like Biatholon or Parallel-Ski-Cross and rooting for athletes from places you&#8217;ve never even heard of before. And you find out that the lady with Putin at the opening ceremony wasn&#8217;t some mistress. She was a Russian athlete who was disabled for life in a Bob-Sled accident 5 years ago. And then there was the segment about the Russian hockey team, Lokomotiv, who all died in a plane crash two years ago, and how their city recovered. <\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">I&#8217;ve been to two Olympics &#8211; Munich in 1972 and Atlanta in 1996. It was the same scenario &#8211; even with the craziness with the Terrorists. By the last night, we were in a hanger on an isolated military base at midnight being strip searched along with a crowd of people who spoke other languages. But we were all great pals and uniformly relieved the Germans were being so careful. The first days in Atlanta were snafu filled, and let&#8217;s face it, Atlanta isn&#8217;t Barcelona [and we heard about that]. But by the end, it was great in spite of the bombing. The Olympics always puts me in a good mood about people and the world, something hard to feel if you watch the evening news very much.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\">There&#8217;s been something of a battle going on the Internet spread over several weeks, stimulated by Peter G&oslash;tzsche&#8217;s book, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Deadly-Medicines-Organised-Crime-Healthcare\/dp\/1846198844\/ref=la_B001JSCEI8_1_1?s=books&#038;ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1392950339&#038;sr=1-1\">Deadly Medicines and Organised Crime: How Big Pharma Has Corrupted Healthcare<\/a> and a guest post on David Healy&#8217;s blog.    <\/div>\n<ul><span class=\"small\"><font color=\"#200020\">                                                 <\/p>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/davidhealy.org\/psychiatry-gone-astray\/\">Psychiatry Gone Astray<\/a> by Peter G&oslash;tzsche on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/davidhealy.org\/blog\/\">David Healy&#8217;s blog<\/a> <\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/real-psychiatry.blogspot.co.uk\/2014\/02\/an-obvious-response-to-psychiatry-gone.html?m=1\">An Obvious Response to &quot;Psychiatry Gone Astray&quot;<\/a> by George Dawson on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/real-psychiatry.blogspot.co.uk\">Real Psychiatry<\/a><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/davidhealy.org\/get-real-peter-gotzsche-responds\/\">Get Real: Peter G&oslash;tzsche Responds<\/a> by Peter G&oslash;tzsche on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/davidhealy.org\/blog\/\">David Healy&#8217;s blog<\/a><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li>\n<div align=\"justify\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/real-psychiatry.blogspot.co.uk\/2014\/02\/the-proud-critics-of-psychiatry.html\">The Proud Critics of Psychiatry<\/a> by George Dawson on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/real-psychiatry.blogspot.co.uk\">Real Psychiatry<\/a><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<p>     <\/font><\/span><\/ul>\n<div align=\"justify\">I started a post about it days ago which I worked on when not watching the games. Every time I came back to it and read what I&#8217;d written earlier, I erased it and started over. There were others involved in this exchange. <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.psycritic.com\/\">Psycritic<\/a> tweeted, <em>&ldquo;a post about @DrDavidHealy&lsquo;s  nuttiness turns into an amazing discussion, with unbelievably  high-quality comments<\/em>.&rdquo; In those comments to George Dawson&#8217;s first post, there were some familiar figures &#8211; <a href=\"http:\/\/real-psychiatry.blogspot.com\/2014\/02\/an-obvious-response-to-psychiatry-gone.html?showComment=1391911762761#c534713965078707459\" target=\"_blank\">David Allen<\/a> of <a href=\"http:\/\/davidmallenmd.blogspot.com\/\" target=\"_blank\">Family Dysfunction and Mental Health Blog<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/real-psychiatry.blogspot.com\/2014\/02\/an-obvious-response-to-psychiatry-gone.html?showComment=1391977650667#c501698688686794763\" target=\"_blank\">Altostrata<\/a> of <a href=\"http:\/\/survivingantidepressants.org\/\" target=\"_blank\">Surviving Antidepressants<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/real-psychiatry.blogspot.com\/2014\/02\/an-obvious-response-to-psychiatry-gone.html?showComment=1392614638488#c5659579993523001796\" target=\"_blank\">Sandra Steingard<\/a> of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.madinamerica.com\/author\/ssteingard\/\" target=\"_blank\">Mad in America<\/a>. In his second post, David Healy quoted Bernard Carroll of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/hcrenewal.blogspot.com\/\">Healthcare Renewal<\/a>, &quot;<em>A  number of colleagues such as Barney Carroll thought Peter&rsquo;s piece was  over the top.<\/em>&quot; In the dialog, things got contentious at times from several directions.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\">                     I  respect every one of the people listed here. I read their&nbsp;  blogs, and their  books. I think each of them has taught me something  valuable along  the way. Psycritic is a thoughtful, introspective child  psychiatrist. Altostrata taught me about the withdrawal syndromes from   psychoactive medications, something I didn&#8217;t know about. David Healy taught us all about akathisia and suicidality on   antidepressants. He parsed the peculiar history of the FDA and  explained why the system is so odd like no other has even tried to do.  Peter  G&oslash;tzsche and the others at Cochrane taught us how to compare  studies,  how to detect missing data, how to think critically about the  ubiquitous  clinical trials, how to see corruption. Dr. Carroll has  taught me  more than I even knew there was to learn about biological  psychiatry. And I appreciate both David  Allen and Sandy Steingard  having the ability to maintain a balanced perspective on matters  psychiatric in today&#8217;s way too contentious environment. Usually I find George Dawson&#8217;s  posts acerbic, but I have respected his standing up to many of the  spurious criticisms of psychiatry [though the post above wasn&#8217;t his  best outing].<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\">So I kept deleting what I wrote and starting over. Finally, I came back after watching a 30 mile cross country ski event and erased my musings for the last time. I guess I&#8217;m having an Olympic Spirit moment, and not really in the mood to comment on the ad hominems when all the players are people I respect, even if they take pot-shots at each other. In spite of the the differences, Psycritic was right. There are lots of high-quality comments in both the posts and in the comment section. I pass on the links for those. Otherwise, I&#8217;m obviously too conflicted to comment, so I&#8217;ll just hold my comments for another day&#8230;<\/p>\n<div>or maybe never.<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I love the Olympics. It&#8217;s always the same. It starts with great conflict in the air &#8211; the Ukraine, Terrorists, discrimination, not-ready hotel rooms, who was that lady sitting with Putin?, etc. And then things settle down and you worry about the US atheletes for a while, crestfallen when the heros lose. 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