{"id":54516,"date":"2015-02-22T08:00:10","date_gmt":"2015-02-22T13:00:10","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=54516"},"modified":"2015-02-21T22:37:05","modified_gmt":"2015-02-22T03:37:05","slug":"legitimately-trying","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/02\/22\/legitimately-trying\/","title":{"rendered":"legitimately trying&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"150\" vspace=\"2\" hspace=\"4\" height=\"150\" border=\"1\" align=\"left\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/28.jpg\" \/><em>This morning&#8217;s thermometer says that we&#8217;re finally starting to thaw out down here a bit. Time for a real blog with graphs and numbers.<\/em> Within the few years after the introduction of the <font color=\"#200020\">Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor<\/font> [SSRI] class of antidepressants, their association with suicidal ideation, suicide attempts, or suicides became the question of the hour based on case reports. There was an FDA Hearing in 1991 that didn&#8217;t find a signal sufficient for action. But by the next FDA Inquiry in 2004, meta-analysis of Clinical Trials was added to the case reports, and the FDA concluded that a signal justified adding a <font color=\"#200020\">Black Box Warning<\/font> to all antidepressants for adolescents, later extended to young adults. Throughout this period, investigators have also attempted to examine large practice databases to clarify this relationship.<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">No single source tells us all we want to know. Individual Case Reports have no Denominator so we can&#8217;t calculate and compare rates. Clinical Trials often have Placebo Controls, but are short duration and are subject to publication and other biases. And the large practice databases have no Placebo Controls for comparison. The study reported here is from&nbsp; a large UK database that included roughly a quarter of a million patients with analyzable data. There was a disparity in the frequency of the prescribed antidepressants:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><img decoding=\"async\" vspace=\"7\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/bmj-suicide-2.gif\" \/>       <\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"big\"><a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/350\/bmj.h517\">Antidepressant use and risk of suicide and attempted suicide or self harm in people aged 20 to 64: cohort study using a primary care database<\/a><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\">by Carol Coupland, Trevor Hill, Richard Morriss, Antony Arthur, Michael Moore, and Julia Hippisley-Cox<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"middle\"><strong><font color=\"#0066ff\">British Medical Journal<\/font><\/strong>. 2015;350:h51.<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"middle\">[<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/350\/bmj.h517\">full text on-line<\/a>]<\/div>\n<p>             <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Objective<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/em>: To assess the associations between different antidepressant treatments and the rates of suicide and attempted suicide or self harm in people with depression.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Design<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/em>: Cohort study. Setting Patients registered with UK general practices contributing data to the QResearch database. Participants 238 963 patients aged 20 to 64 years with a first diagnosis of depression between 1 January 2000 and 31 July 2011, followed up until 1 August 2012.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Exposures<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/em>:  Antidepressant class [tricyclic and related antidepressants, selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, other antidepressants], dose, and duration of use, and commonly prescribed individual antidepressant drugs. Cox proportional hazards models were used to calculate hazard ratios adjusting for potential confounding variables.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Main outcome measures<\/font><\/strong><\/u>:<\/em> Suicide and attempted suicide or self harm during follow-up.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Results<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/em>: During follow-up, 87.7% [n=209 476] of the cohort received one or more prescriptions for antidepressants. The median duration of treatment was 221 days [interquartile range 79&ndash;590 days]. During the first five years of follow-up 198 cases of suicide and 5243 cases of attempted suicide or self harm occurred. The difference in suicide rates during periods of treatment with tricyclic and related antidepressants compared with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors was not significant [adjusted hazard ratio 0.84, 95% confidence interval 0.47 to 1.50], but the suicide rate was significantly increased during periods of treatment with other antidepressants [2.64, 1.74 to 3.99]. The hazard ratio for suicide was significantly increased for mirtazapine compared with citalopram [3.70, 2.00 to 6.84]. Absolute risks of suicide over one year ranged from 0.02% for amitriptyline to 0.19% for mirtazapine. There was no significant difference in the rate of attempted suicide or self harm with tricyclic antidepressants [0.96, 0.87 to 1.08] compared with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, but the rate of attempted suicide or self harm was significantly higher for other antidepressants [1.80, 1.61 to 2.00]. The adjusted hazard ratios for attempted suicide or self harm were significantly increased for three of the most commonly prescribed drugs compared with citalopram: venlafaxine [1.85, 1.61 to 2.13], trazodone [1.73, 1.26 to 2.37], and mirtazapine [1.70, 1.44 to 2.02], and significantly reduced for amitriptyline [0.71, 0.59 to 0.85]. The absolute risks of attempted suicide or self harm over one year ranged from 1.02% for amitriptyline to 2.96% for venlafaxine. Rates were highest in the first 28 days after starting treatment and remained increased in the first 28 days after stopping treatment.<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Conclusion<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/em>: Rates of suicide and attempted suicide or self harm were similar during periods of treatment with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and tricyclic and related antidepressants. Mirtazapine, venlafaxine, and trazodone were associated with the highest rates of suicide and attempted suicide or self harm, but the number of suicide events was small leading to imprecise estimates. As this is an observational study the findings may reflect indication biases and residual confounding from severity of depression and differing characteristics of patients prescribed these drugs. The increased rates in the first 28 days of starting and stopping antidepressants emphasize the need for careful monitoring of patients during these periods.<\/div>\n<hr width=\"400\" size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Supplementary Data<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/em>: &laquo;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/bmj\/suppl\/2015\/02\/18\/bmj.h517.DC1\/couc020201.wt1_default.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">link<\/a>&raquo;<\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em><u><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Protocol<\/font><\/strong><\/u><\/em>: &laquo;<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.biomedcentral.com\/1471-244X\/13\/135\">Safety of antidepressants in adults aged under 65: protocol for a cohort study using a large primary care database<\/a>&raquo;<\/div>\n<hr width=\"400\" size=\"1\" \/><\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">The overall percentages of completed and attempted suicides are shown in this table with significant values shown in red [among <em>classes<\/em> relative to SSRIs &#8211; among drugs relative to Citalopram]:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"350\" vspace=\"7\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/bmj-suicide-1.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">The main contribution from this study is &quot;when&quot; suicides and suicide attempts occur. The strongest signal is in the first 28 days after starting the antidepressant with a smaller signal in the 28 days after discontinuing the drug:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" vspace=\"7\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/bmj-suicide.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">Here are some of the author&#8217;s comments from the full text of the article:<\/div>\n<blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em>The suicide rates in our study cohort [43 per 100&thinsp;000 in  men and 9 per 100&thinsp;000 in women] are higher than those in the general  population in England [three year average rates of 12.4 per 100&thinsp;000 in men and 3.7 per  100&thinsp;000 in women for 2010-12]. Larger differences than this might be  expected since our rates are in patients with a diagnosis of depression  rather than in the general population. Studies showing greater  differences, however, have tended to be in secondary care settings,  where patients have more severe depression. These results are consistent with those of our previous cohort study in older people with depression,  which found that trazodone, mirtazapine, and venlafaxine were  associated with the highest rates of attempted suicide or self harm in  people aged 65 or more.<\/em><\/div>\n<p> <\/p>\n<div><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Conclusions<\/font><\/strong>:<\/em><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\"><em>This study has found that rates of  suicide and self harm were similar during periods of treatment with  selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors and tricyclic antidepressants,  but were higher for the group of other antidepressant drugs, with  mirtazapine, venlafaxine, and trazodone being associated with the  highest risks. The number of suicide events was small so the results for  suicide should be interpreted with caution. Rates tended to be highest  in the first 28 days after starting treatment and remained increased in  the first 28 days after stopping treatment. These findings are of  associations rather than causal effects and are particularly susceptible  to confounding by indication, channelling bias, and residual  confounding; further research is needed to confirm them. The results of  this study indicate that patients taking antidepressant drugs should be  carefully monitored, especially during early treatment with  antidepressants and when stopping treatment.<\/em><\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">In this cohort of almost a quarter of a million patients from general practices in the UK with a diagnosis of depression, <font color=\"#200020\">87.7%<\/font> of them were put on an antidepressant drug [lest we have any question about the ubiquity of the use of antidepressants]. In a population study like this, it&#8217;s impossible to directly address whether suicidality can be attributed to the drugs or is related to the depression itself, but in either case, the study supports early treatment and the weeks after coming off the medications as the high risk periods. In the cases of trazodone [<font color=\"#200020\">Desyrel&reg;<\/font>], mirtazapine [<font color=\"#200020\">Remeron&reg;<\/font>], and venlafaxine [<font color=\"#200020\">Effexor&reg;<\/font>], the increased incidence of suicidality does appear drug related [in this and other studies].&nbsp;<\/div>\n<p>  <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">Why is this article being blogged here? It&#8217;s because it&#8217;s the first one of these big database studies on this topic that&#8217;s legitimately trying to convey something useful to the medical community, and I believe what they say. 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