{"id":62188,"date":"2015-12-13T16:42:40","date_gmt":"2015-12-13T21:42:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=62188"},"modified":"2015-12-16T13:53:12","modified_gmt":"2015-12-16T18:53:12","slug":"in-the-land-of-sometimes2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/12\/13\/in-the-land-of-sometimes2\/","title":{"rendered":"in the land of sometimes<sup>[2]<\/sup>\u2026"},"content":{"rendered":"<div align=\"justify\"><sup><em><font color=\"#660033\">This is just  some fluff. After all this time looking at the industry-funded clinical  trials [RCTs], I&rsquo;ve learned a few tricks for spotting the mechanics of  deceit being used, but I realize that I need to say a bit about the  basic science of RCTs before attempting to catalog things to look for.  Data Transparency is likely coming, but very slowly. And even with the  data, it takes a while to reanalyze suspicious studies &ndash; so to these  more indirect methods. If you&rsquo;re not a numbers type or you know your statistics, just  skip this post. But if you want to become an amateur RCT vetter, read on<\/font><font color=\"#660033\">. After a few more posts, there will be a summary and a guide to the Internet calculators to do the math. It&rsquo;s something a critical reader needs to know something about.<\/font><\/em><\/sup><\/div>\n<hr width=\"95%\" size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">As I said in <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/11\/08\/in-the-land-of-sometimes\/\">in the land of sometimes<sup>[1]<\/sup>&hellip;<\/a> &quot;the word <em>sta&middot;tis&middot;tics<\/em> is derived from the word <em>state<\/em>, originally referring to <em>the affairs of state<\/em>.  With usage, it has come to mean general facts about a group or  collection, and the techniques used to compare groups. In statistical  testing, we assume groups are not different [the <em>null hypothesis<\/em>], then calculate the probability of that assumption.&quot; That post a month ago was about some of the basic statistical tests used to evaluate <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">continuous variables<\/font><\/em><\/strong> &#8211; where to variable studied can have any value. The <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">continuous variables<\/font><\/em><\/strong> are the numbers of arithmetic, with decimal values; the numbers for making smooth x-y graphs; the numbers of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Parametric_statisticshttps:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Parametric_statistics\">parametric statistics<\/a>. We talk about means, standard deviations, Student T-Tests, analyses of variance [ANOVA]. And in that post, we discussed <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">Cohen&#8217;s d<\/font><\/em><\/strong> as the value we often calculate to measure the Effect Size, the relative strength of the variable&#8217;s effect [see <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/11\/08\/in-the-land-of-sometimes\/\">in the land of sometimes<sup>[1]<\/sup>&hellip;<\/a>]: <\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">d = <\/font><\/em><font color=\"#200020\">(&mu;<sub>1<\/sub> &ndash; &mu;<sub>2<\/sub>) &divide; &sigma;<\/font><\/strong><strong><font color=\"#200020\"><br \/> <\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\"> &quot;While there&rsquo;s no strong standard for <em>d<\/em> like there is for <em>p<\/em>, the general gist of things is that: <em>d<\/em> = 0.25 [25%] is <em><font color=\"#200020\">weak<\/font><\/em>, <em>d<\/em> = 0.50 [50%] is <em><font color=\"#200020\">moderate<\/font><\/em>, and <em>d<\/em> = 0.75 [75%] is <em><font color=\"#200020\">strong<\/font><\/em>.&quot; This statistic is sometimes called the <em><font color=\"#200020\">standardized mean difference<\/font><\/em>.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">In what I think of as <em><font color=\"#200020\">the land of sometimes<\/font><\/em>, mathematics are different than those we learned in high school [unless we took statistics] because any given variable is only <em><font color=\"#200020\">sometimes<\/font><\/em> true. The fixed meanings of pure mathematics disappear as we approach the inevitable variability in our measurements and in the nature of nature itself. So there are no absolutes, just likelihoods and probabilities [and no matter how improbable, it&#8217;s still possible to be dealt a poker hand with four aces &#8211; <em><font color=\"#200020\">sometimes<\/font><\/em>]. <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">Not all parameters are continuous variables. Some are yes\/no <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">categorical variables<\/font><\/em><\/strong> &#8211; based on some criteria, &quot;did the patient respond to the drug or not&quot;. So we&#8217;ve introduced something new &#8211; <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">criteria<\/font><\/strong><\/em> &#8211; and we have to use an entirely different computational system to look at <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Probability<\/font><\/strong><\/em> and <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Effect Size<\/font><\/strong><\/em> with this kind of data. The visuals are even different. Here are two graphs adapted from our <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bmj.com\/content\/351\/bmj.h4320\" target=\"_blank\">Study 329 paper<\/a> that show two different treatments of the HAM-D values &#8211; the difference from baseline on the left [a<strong><em><font color=\"#200020\"> continuous variable<\/font><\/em><\/strong>] and the response rate on the right [a <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">categorical variable<\/font><\/em><\/strong>] [with the <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">criteria<\/font><\/strong><\/em> being that a responder has a HAM-D score either <u>&lt;<\/u> 50% baseline <u>or<\/u> <u>&lt;<\/u> 8 and a non-responder has a HAM-D score both &gt; 50% baseline <u>and<\/u> &gt; 8]:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"450\" vspace=\"7\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/stats-9.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">So if you have two groups and you know the sizes and the percent responding in each, that&#8217;s all you need. No means, no standard deviations, no assumptions about a normal distribution. The classic test is the Chi Square contingency table:<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"460\" height=\"229\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/chi-square.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">Fill in the numbers for a, b, c, and d. Use the totals to calculate the expected values [if you look at the formulas long enough, the <em><font color=\"#200020\">why the expected values represent the null hypothesis of no difference?<\/font><\/em> will become obvious]. Then compute a value for each of the four cells using&#8230;<\/div>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" height=\"45\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/chi-square-formula.gif\" \/><\/div>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"180\" vspace=\"5\" hspace=\"4\" height=\"176\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/chi-square-distr.gif\" \/>&#8230; and add the four values to get the <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">X<sup>2<\/sup><\/font><\/strong><\/em> test statistic If this were 1971, you&#8217;d take the test statistic and the degrees of freedom <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">[rows-1] &times; [columns-1]<\/font><\/strong><\/em> and look up the p value in a book of statistical tables. But it&#8217;s not 1971, it&#8217;s 2015. So you&#8217;ll forget all the calculating and use an Internet calculator like <a href=\"http:\/\/vassarstats.net\/tab2x2.html\" target=\"_blank\">vasserstats<\/a> by simply filling in a, b, c, and d, and like magic the p values will just appear. There&#8217;s a <a href=\"http:\/\/vassarstats.net\/newcs.html\" target=\"_blank\">bigger calculator<\/a> if you have more than two groups. There are some subtleties [<em><font color=\"#200020\">Pearson&#8217;s, Fisher&#8217;s, Yates&#8217;<\/font><\/em>s] that I can&#8217;t keep quite straight myself from time to time, but they are easy and well explained on the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Chi-squared_test\" target=\"_blank\"><font color=\"#0033ff\">Wikipedia<\/font><\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/vassarstats.net\/tab2x2.html\" target=\"_blank\">vassarstats<\/a> pages. Thanks to the Internet, the <font color=\"#200020\">p value<\/font> is just seconds away.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">So what about the Effect Size with <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">categorical variables<\/font><\/em><\/strong>? It&#8217;s just as important as it is for the <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">continuous variables<\/font><\/em><\/strong>. There are two indices in common use: the <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">number needed to treat<\/font><\/em><\/strong> [NNT] and the <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">odds ratio<\/font><\/em><\/strong> [OR]. We use those same monotonous parameters [a, b, c, and d] to calculate their values. First, the formulas:<\/p>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">NNT = 1 <\/font><\/strong><\/em><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\"><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">&divide;<\/font><\/strong><\/em> (a&divide;(a+b) &#8211; c&divide;(c+d))<\/font><\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\">&nbsp;<em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">OR = (a&divide;(a+b)) &divide; (c&divide;(c+d)))<\/font><\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">The NNT is the easiest to interpret [though the derivation isn&#8217;t so intuitive]. It&#8217;s the <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">number needed to treat to&nbsp; get one responder you wouldn&#8217;t get with placebo<\/font><\/em><\/strong>. With the OR, it&#8217;s the easier to understand the logic, but harder to interpret. More about its values later [in an example]. One very important fact to always keep in mind about these statistics with <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">categorical variables<\/font><\/em><\/strong>&nbsp; &#8211; what they measure is meaningless if you don&#8217;t know the criteria used to derive them [like above with &quot;a responder has a HAM-D score either <u>&lt;<\/u> 50% baseline <u>or<\/u> <u>&lt;<\/u> 8 and a non-responder has a HAM-D score both &gt; 50% baseline <u>and<\/u> &gt; 8&quot;]. Often you will read &quot;<em><font color=\"#200020\">The Odds Ratio for responders is&#8230;<\/font><\/em>&quot; but that&#8217;s not enough. You still&nbsp; need to know precisely how they defined and extracted &quot;<em><font color=\"#200020\">responders<\/font><\/em>.&quot; <\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">I said in&nbsp; <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/11\/08\/in-the-land-of-sometimes\/\">in the land of sometimes<sup>[1]<\/sup>&hellip;<\/a> that I&#8217;d throw in these statistical interludes when it&#8217;s a rainy day with nothing going on. It&#8217;s not raining and there&#8217;s plenty happening, but I have a reason for both this post and the next. I really want to compare two meta-analyses of the same topic looking at mostly the same data, and I can&#8217;t do that without at least something of an introduction to some basic statistics, particularly Effect Sizes. For many reasons, we&#8217;re in an age of meta-analyses in psychiatry, so it seems an appropriate [as well as my trademark boring] thing to be talking about&#8230;<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is just some fluff. After all this time looking at the industry-funded clinical trials [RCTs], I&rsquo;ve learned a few tricks for spotting the mechanics of deceit being used, but I realize that I need to say a bit about the basic science of RCTs before attempting to catalog things to look for. 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