{"id":62228,"date":"2015-12-14T15:33:34","date_gmt":"2015-12-14T20:33:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=62228"},"modified":"2015-12-16T14:20:54","modified_gmt":"2015-12-16T19:20:54","slug":"in-the-land-of-sometimes3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/12\/14\/in-the-land-of-sometimes3\/","title":{"rendered":"in the land of sometimes<sup>[3]<\/sup>\u2026"},"content":{"rendered":"<div align=\"justify\"><sup><em><font color=\"#660033\">Some more statistical fluff. I don&#8217;t know the story of how the meta-analyses [study of studies] came to be and how the methodology was developed, but I know about it from the Cochrane Collaborations. Wherever and however aside, it&#8217;s pretty spectacular from where I sit. Both the metrics used and the way they&#8217;re displayed has become standardized, so a collection of many different studies can be compared and quickly understood visually. There are a lot of different techniques involved in these articles, and I&#8217;ll only cover some of the more obvious ones.. If you&rsquo;re not a numbers type or you know your  statistics, just  skip this post. But if you want to become an amateur vetter and meta-analysis junkie, read on. After a few more  posts, there will be a summary and a guide to the Internet calculators  to do various aspects of the math involved. These days, meta-analyses are something a critical reader needs to know  about.<\/font><\/em><\/sup><\/div>\n<hr width=\"95%\" size=\"1\" \/>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">In <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/11\/08\/in-the-land-of-sometimes\/\">in the land of sometimes<sup>[1]<\/sup>&hellip;<\/a> and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/12\/13\/in-the-land-of-sometimes2\/\">in the land of sometimes<sup>[2]<\/sup>&hellip;<\/a>, I looked at some of the statistical tests used to calculate the Probabilities and Effect Sizes of <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">continuous<\/font><\/em><\/strong> and <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">categorical variables<\/font><\/em><\/strong>. In this installment, I want to discuss one basic format used in the meta-analyses that attempt to collate and compare multiple Clinical Trials focused on the same drug. Obviously, comparing p values wouldn&#8217;t be of much comparatave use. Probabilities are&nbsp; treated as yes\/no statistics determined by the prespecified alpha level [eg p <u>&lt;<\/u> 0.05], and in spite of the temptation to say things like &quot;very significant&quot; or &quot;barely made significance&quot; based on the numeric p value, such attempts at quantification are unjustified. The obvious candidate for quantitative comparisons among studies would be the Effect Sizes. That would be comparing the strengths of some given effect across studies &#8211; which is exactly what we want to do.<\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">So let&#8217;s first look at an example using a <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">continuous variable<\/font><\/em><\/strong> comparing two different groups. The information we started with is in the left column and the values we calculated to derive the Effect Size [Cohen&#8217;s d] are in the right column [see <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/11\/08\/in-the-land-of-sometimes\/\">in the land of sometimes<sup>[1]<\/sup>&hellip;<\/a>]:<\/p>\n<table cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\" align=\"center\" class=\"small\">\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" colspan=\"3\">\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Group Statistics<\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/><\/td>\n<td width=\"25\" rowspan=\"4\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" colspan=\"3\">\n<div align=\"center\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Effect Size Calculations<\/font><\/strong><\/div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" align=\"right\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">subjects<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"12\" rowspan=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">n<sub>1<\/sub>, n<sub>2<\/sub><\/font><\/strong><\/em><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\" align=\"right\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">Cohen&#8217;s<\/font> <em><font color=\"#200020\">d<\/font><\/em><\/strong><\/td>\n<td width=\"12\" rowspan=\"3\">&nbsp;<\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">&nbsp;d = (&mu;<sub>1<\/sub> &ndash; &mu;<sub>2<\/sub>) &divide; &sigma;<\/font><\/em><\/strong><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" align=\"right\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">means<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">&mu;<sub>1, &mu;<\/sub><sub>2<\/sub><\/font><\/strong><\/em><\/td>\n<td valign=\"middle\" align=\"right\" rowspan=\"2\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">pooled std dev<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"middle\" align=\"left\" rowspan=\"2\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"180\" height=\"33\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/pooled-sigma.gif\" \/><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td valign=\"top\" align=\"right\"><strong><font color=\"#200020\">std devs<\/font><\/strong><\/td>\n<td valign=\"top\"><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">&sigma;<sub>1<\/sub>, &sigma;<sub>2<\/sub><\/font><\/strong><\/em> <\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\"><img decoding=\"async\" hspace=\"4\" height=\"138\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/stats-10.gif\" \/>Remember that <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Cohen&#8217;s<\/font><\/strong> <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">d<\/font><\/em><\/strong> is also known as the <font color=\"#200020\">Standardized Mean Difference<\/font>. So what we have in the right hand column is actually the distribution of the Effect Size. All we have to do now is realize that what we&#8217;ve been calling the <font color=\"#200020\">Pooled Standard Deviation<\/font> is actually the <font color=\"#200020\">standard deviation of<\/font> <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Cohen&#8217;s<\/font><\/strong> <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">d<\/font><\/em><\/strong>, and that we can use it to calculate the 95% Confidence Limits using these simple formulas [either take that last part on faith or read it over several times until it makes sense]:<\/p>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">lower limit = d &#8211; 1.96 &times; &sigma;<\/font><\/em><\/strong><\/div>\n<div align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">upper limit = d + 1.96 &times; &sigma;<\/font><\/em><\/strong><\/div>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">So now, instead of showing <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Cohen&#8217;s<\/font><\/strong> <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">d<\/font><\/em><\/strong> as a frequency distribution like the upper right, we can display it more simply: <\/p>\n<p align=\"right\"><img decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/stats-11.gif\" \/><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\"><img decoding=\"async\" vspace=\"5\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/stats-12.gif\" \/>In <font color=\"#200020\">[a]<\/font>, the circle represents <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Cohen&#8217;s<\/font><\/strong> <strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">d<\/font><\/em><\/strong>  and the lines define the <strong><font color=\"#200020\">95% Confidence Interval<\/font><\/strong>. So with a glance, you can see the Effect Size, the &quot;spread,&quot; and whether it&#8217;s significant [the <strong><font color=\"#200020\">Confidence Interval<\/font><\/strong> line doesn&#8217;t touch or cross zero &#8211; the null hypothesis]. The example in <font color=\"#200020\">[b]<\/font> is not significant. But what I consider the brilliant part is in <font color=\"#200020\">[c]<\/font>. If you have three different studies&nbsp; of a drug versus placebo, you can display them together and again, in a glance, see what&#8217;s up with all of them &#8211; the essence of meta-analysis. And there&#8217;s even more. By weighting these studies eg based on sample sizes, one can display a summary Effect Size that represents the whole collection of studies&nbsp; <font color=\"#200020\">[d]<\/font>. In the case of using sample sizes:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\">d = (n<sub>1<\/sub><\/font><\/em><\/strong><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\"> &times; d<\/font><\/em><\/strong><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\"><sub>1<\/sub> + n<sub>2<\/sub><\/font><\/em><\/strong><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\"> &times; d<\/font><\/em><\/strong><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\"><sub>2<\/sub> + n<sub>3<\/sub><\/font><\/em><\/strong><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\"> &times; d<\/font><\/em><\/strong><strong><em><font color=\"#200020\"><sub>3<\/sub>) &divide; (n<sub>1<\/sub> + n<sub>2<\/sub> + n<sub>3<\/sub>)<\/font><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"80\" vspace=\"5\" hspace=\"4\" height=\"80\" border=\"0\" align=\"left\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/cochrane.gif\" \/>We&#8217;ve gotten so used to these <em><font color=\"#200020\">forest plots<\/font><\/em> that it&#8217;s easy to forget how much they&#8217;ve helped us see the big picture in one simple graphic. At least for me, this is a testimony to the adage, &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">a picture&#8217;s worth a thousand words.<\/font>&quot; There&#8217;s something of a monotony in these clinical trials, so the information needed for this kind of comparison is almost always available. And, by the way, look at the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cochrane.org\/\" target=\"_blank\"><font color=\"#0000ff\">Cochrane Collaboration<\/font><\/a> logo.<\/p>\n<p align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">Well, what about the <em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">categorical variables<\/font><\/strong><\/em>? One can almost say &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">ditto<\/font>.&quot; They use the Effect Size as well, in this case the Odds Ratio. The calculation of the 95% Confidence Intervals is less intuitive, so most mortals like me&nbsp; would be best advised to use one of the Internet calculators [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.medcalc.org\/calc\/odds_ratio.php\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.select-statistics.co.uk\/confidence-interval-calculator-odds-ratio\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.easycalculation.com\/statistics\/odds-ratio.php\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a>]. The vertical line representing the null hypothesis is at 1 instead of 0. And there&#8217;s something else different: the 95% Confidence Interval lines are asymmetric, so authors usually use a logarithmic scale to display the values symmetrically. Look at the Odds Ratio scale on the meta-analysis of Atypical Antipsychotic augmentation I reported on earlier [<a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2015\/12\/09\/62027\/\" target=\"_blank\">creative funding III &amp; some other things&hellip;<\/a>]:<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\" class=\"small\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"435\" border=\"0\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/aug-meta-1.gif\" \/>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div align=\"justify\" class=\"small\">The <font color=\"#200020\">land of sometimes<\/font> can be like <font color=\"#200020\">Never-Land<\/font>, or <font color=\"#200020\">Narnia<\/font>, or the <font color=\"#200020\">Land of Oz<\/font>. Lots of peculiar things can and do happen in fantasy realms where not everyone knows the rules, sometimes just out of sight. Unlike the mathematics of <font color=\"#200020\">Algebra<\/font>,<font color=\"#200020\"> Calculus<\/font>,<font color=\"#200020\"> Topology<\/font>,<font color=\"#200020\"> etc,<\/font> there&#8217;s a lot of room to wiggle and wiggle they do. Over the time I&#8217;ve been looking at these Clinical Trials, I&#8217;ve become increasingly rigid in making sure all the rules have been followed. That&#8217;s the reason for my little amateurish statistical interludes like this. I figure the more savvy the readership, the less likely it will be for the spinners of yarns to continue to have their way with us. Paradoxically, I cringe at the phrase <em><font color=\"#200020\">evidence based medicine<\/font><\/em>, or for that matter <em><font color=\"#200020\">evidence-based-anything-else<\/font><\/em>. It&#8217;s an acquired cringe, but I&#8217;ve noticed that the people who use the phrase frequently are likely using even the term itself to spin something. It&#8217;s kind of a shame. Statistical mathematics can be really elegant at times and answer questions that couldn&#8217;t be asked without it. I think of this simple methodology used in meta-analyses as an example of that&#8230;    <\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some more statistical fluff. I don&#8217;t know the story of how the meta-analyses [study of studies] came to be and how the methodology was developed, but I know about it from the Cochrane Collaborations. Wherever and however aside, it&#8217;s pretty spectacular from where I sit. 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