{"id":68829,"date":"2016-10-26T15:03:24","date_gmt":"2016-10-26T19:03:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/?p=68829"},"modified":"2016-10-26T20:45:25","modified_gmt":"2016-10-27T00:45:25","slug":"the-clinic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2016\/10\/26\/the-clinic\/","title":{"rendered":"the clinic&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">A few years back, a woman in her mid forties showed up in the clinic &quot;depressed&quot; [visible from 50+ yards]. She wanted to talk about her symptoms and not her life. As it played out, one reason was because she didn&#8217;t have one [a life]. She was the housewife to her second husband, a man who worked hard, came home and ate, drank a couple of six-packs and was off to bed. His son by a previous marriage lived there and was a &quot;freeloader druggie.&quot; Her son from a previous marriage was a college student rarely home except to eat. She worked full time as an Assistant Manager of a busy retail business. The manager often left her in charge [to run off for trists with her married boyfriend]. The patient to be was on the phone several times a day with her aging mother who lived in another state. Her mother was and always had been a &quot;drama queen&quot; and my future patient managed all of her affairs and money long distance. She was a &quot;sort of therapist&quot; for all of her siblings and her husband&#8217;s siblings in their dysfunctional marriages. Did I mention she was a full time night student taking a medical records course of study. Like I said, she didn&#8217;t have a life. Her PCP [Primary Care Physician] had plied her with various SSRIs with no effect. She didn&#8217;t tell me on that first visit, but she had a gun, bullets, and some suicidal fantasies.<\/p>\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">The point of the post isn&#8217;t this patient&#8217;s case, but a paragraph or so will help get me closer to the point. Diagnosis? She met all <font color=\"#200020\">MDD <\/font>[<font color=\"#200020\">Major Depressive Disorder<\/font>] criteria. A twelve step diagnosis would&#8217;ve been [<font color=\"#200020\">Malignant<\/font>]<font color=\"#200020\"> Co-Dependency<\/font>. A family systems theorist might label her with the &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">Executive Daughter&quot;<\/font> syndrome. But the Dx that I went for was &quot;<strong><font color=\"#200020\">a Network case<\/font><\/strong>&quot; [from the movie with the line, &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">I&#8217;m mad as hell and I&#8217;m not going to take it anymore!&quot;].&nbsp;<\/font> I recall going for the anger because she didn&#8217;t seem to know she had it. But it wasn&#8217;t very hard to find. I saw her as frequently as I could and on my off weeks, she saw an LPC who was in the clinic. That&#8217;s where &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">Executive Daughter&quot;<\/font> dx came from. She had always essentially held her dysfunctional family together as her father&#8217;s &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">right hand man<\/font>&quot; &#8211; a family role. He was a soft alcoholic who appreciated her help. He had died several years ago, and the hardest anger for her to get to was directed towards him for putting her &quot;<em><font color=\"#200020\">in charge<\/font><\/em>,&quot; then dying and leaving her to take care of all these &quot;<em><font color=\"#200020\">crazy f___ing<\/font><\/em>&quot; people.         <\/p>\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">It took a long while for her to figure out that the solution wasn&#8217;t making &quot;them&quot; change, it was in her stopping taking on their problems as if they were her own. Discovering the source of her anger helped, but changing roles is hard to do. On the other hand, not cringing every time the phone rang was a powerful reinforcer. To her surprise, when she started talking out loud, her husband got rid of his &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">freeloading druggie<\/font>&quot; son and drank much less himself. He said &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">I didn&#8217;t realize what we were doing to you.<\/font>&quot; She dropped school [&quot;<font color=\"#200020\">just a way to get out of the house<\/font>&quot;] and moved to a better job. Progress once she got her rhythm was surprisingly swift. Recently, she showed up with a &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">relapse.<\/font>&quot; He mother had a &quot;light&quot; stroke and a sibling&#8217;s husband died in a single week, and she found herself automatically sliding too far into the caretaker role once again and felt liked she was trapped again [<em><font color=\"#200020\">forever<\/font><\/em>].<\/p>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">The topic here is the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.agencymeddirectors.wa.gov\/files\/AssessmentTools\/14-PHQ-9%20overview.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">PHQ-9<\/a> [Patient Health Questionnaire &#8211; 9 Item] [see <a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/12\/10\/how-silly\/\" target=\"_blank\">how silly!&hellip;<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/12\/12\/remarkable-6\/\" target=\"_blank\">remarkable&hellip;<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/12\/13\/simply-absurd\/\" target=\"_blank\">simply absurd&hellip;<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2011\/12\/14\/17279\/\" target=\"_blank\">PHQ-9&reg;&trade;&hellip;<\/a>]. The day this patient came back with her &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">relapse<\/font>&quot; was shortly after they started handing patients a routine PHQ-9 to fill out in the Waiting Room. It&#8217;s apparently a requirement for whatever certification the clinic is getting so they can take insurance. She said, &quot;<font color=\"#200020\">What is this <em>shit<\/em><\/font>?&quot; I glanced at it and told her. She rolled her eyes, and then launched into what had happened.&nbsp; It looked like this from what I recall in a quick glance&#8230;<\/p>\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/images\/phq-9-1.gif\" width=\"300\" border=\"0\" \/><\/p>\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">[I particularly recall the &quot;double answer&quot; on number 9].<\/p>\n<div class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">Last week when I was talking about the Collaborative Care Model [<a href=\"http:\/\/1boringoldman.com\/index.php\/2016\/10\/21\/without-ever-talking-to-the-patient\/\" target=\"_blank\">without ever talking to the patient&hellip;<\/a>], I didn&#8217;t get around to talking about their use of the <font color=\"#200020\">PHQ-9&reg;<\/font> to follow the patient&#8217;s progress, to decide when to change medications, etc. Nothing I know about the <font color=\"#200020\">PHQ-9&reg;<\/font> makes me think of it as a candidate marker to follow the session to session effect of depression treatment, certainly not over observation or a simple question. Looking at that form, you&#8217;d think I ought to send her to the hospital on a stretcher. But I know her. Remember, I said:<\/div>\n<ul>\n<div class=\"small\" align=\"justify\"><em><strong><font color=\"#200020\">&quot;showed up in the clinic &#8216;depressed&#8217; [visible from 50+ yards]. She wanted to talk about her symptoms and not her life&quot;<\/font><\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">We&#8217;d talked about that part before. Her mother&#8217;s extreme melodrama and constant whining had put her off of talking about what bothered her. She didn&#8217;t want to be &quot;like that.&quot; Instead, she &quot;telegraphed&quot; her internal states indirectly with depressive symptoms. We got onto that when I asked if she had talked to her husband about his son and his drinking. She had acted if he should know why she was so tangled up. She was bowled over when she tried saying it instead of &quot;telegraphing&quot; &#8211; he was glad to hear it and responded. That&#8217;s what got the ball rolling as she went from &quot;ward&quot; to &quot;ward&quot; setting boundaries &quot;out loud.&quot; So the <font color=\"#200020\">PHQ-9&reg;<\/font> was a telegram.    <\/div>\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">She felt really snookered. Her mother&#8217;s stroke wasn&#8217;t that light after all, and she really probably couldn&#8217;t live alone and take care of herself. Throw in the drama, and things were an unholy mess back home. It was the common problem of the elderly person who needed to go into care, but resists the need [with a heavy dash of lifelong <em><font color=\"#200020\">Drama Queen-ness<\/font><\/em> thrown in for good measure]. My patient felt sentenced to bringing her mother to Georgia to live with her, which would&#8217;ve been a fate worse than any she could ever imagine. <\/p>\n<p class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">So the other thing that <font color=\"#200020\">PHQ-9&reg; <\/font>measured was <em><font color=\"#200020\">frustration<\/font><\/em>. She had spent days calling hospitals, doctors, etc. trying to get someone to see that her mother couldn&#8217;t live alone, without success. Doctors and hospitals don&#8217;t initiate such things. Families and Social Services do. This is the reason every psychiatrist, psychologist, etc. should have as part of training a stint in a Social Agency. Her problem of an aging impaired parent, while common, is never easy. But in this case, everything was already in place &#8211; resources [check], fiscal assets [check], and an immediate cause [check]. All that&#8217;s needed is a savvy Social Worker and\/or lawyer. My patient&#8217;s son [that college student I mentioned] had moved to his grandmother&#8217;s town to continue schooling, and moved in with her thinking he could &quot;<em><font color=\"#200020\">help Grandma<\/font><\/em>.&quot; He ended up having to call the police when she got out of control and attacked him with a knife. &quot;<em><font color=\"#200020\">Grandma<\/font><\/em>&quot; ended up with an assault charge. He was busily looking for an apartment to get out of there. So there was a pending charge, a cause to go to the court and insist on an immediate mental competency assessment. That &quot;other State&quot; happened to be my home State and so I know the laws, so&#8230; <\/p>\n<div class=\"small\" align=\"justify\">This patient is an action figure and I have no doubt that once given the path, she&#8217;ll take care of business [her mood was much lighter when she left]. I won&#8217;t prattle on about how much I think using a <font color=\"#200020\">PHQ-9&reg; <\/font>to do waiting room screening or make clinical decisions is a pseudo-metric rather than the application of evidence-based medicine. It was developed by Robert Spitzer on a grant from Pfizer [who owns it]. It&#8217;s part of a fantasy that the psychic ills of human-kind can be reduced to some simple calculus that has a general application &#8211; a fantasy of policy makers like those that created that Collaborative Care Report [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.psychiatry.org\/File%20Library\/Psychiatrists\/Practice\/Professional-Topics\/Integrated-Care\/APA-APM-Dissemination-Integrated-Care-Report.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">DISSEMINATION OF INTEGRATED CARE WITHIN ADULT PRIMARY CARE SETTINGS: THE COLLABORATIVE CARE MODE<\/a>], rarely shared by clinicians. I wonder what a Consulting Psychiatrist who had never met this patient would say on seeing this <font color=\"#200020\">PHQ-9&reg; <\/font>to a Care Manager to tell the Primary Care Physician?<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A few years back, a woman in her mid forties showed up in the clinic &quot;depressed&quot; [visible from 50+ yards]. She wanted to talk about her symptoms and not her life. As it played out, one reason was because she didn&#8217;t have one [a life]. 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