rating scales or kids…

Posted on Friday 14 September 2012

"None of the 10 measures relying on patient reported or parent reported outcomes showed significant advantage for an antidepressant, so that claims for effectiveness were based entirely on ratings by doctors."

Efficacy and safety of antidepressants for children and adolescents
by Jureidini, Doecke, Mansfield, Haby, Menkes, and Tonkin
British Medical Journal. 2004 328:879-883.

It’s ragweed season here, so it has been indoors for me. Having just read Paxil Study 329, I read the two Lilly Prozac studies [X065 and HCJE], the Wagner Zoloft study, TADS, then moved on to the meta-analyses [Hammad, Kaizar, Bridge, Jureidini, Gibbons] and the transcripts of the FDA hearings in 2004 that added the Black Box warning. I was beginning to get cross-eyed and had a headache. I wondered what I was looking for this time around. I’m usually reading these articles looking for deceitful presentations or other scientific improprieties [and there are plenty to find]. But  the thing that set off this bout of re-reading was this from the ParentsMedGuide:

Are antidepressant medications effective for the treatment of child/adolescent depression?

Yes, antidepressant medications can be effective in relieving the symptoms of depression for some children and adolescents. One antidepressant – fluoxetine, or Prozac – a medicine in the category of selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRI’s, has been approved by the FDA for treating depression in children 8 years of age and older. Escitalopram, or Lexapro has also been approved by the FDA for treating adolescents 12 years of age and older. Your physician may prescribe other antidepressant medications as well. You should know that prescribing an antidepressant that has not been approved by the FDA for use with child and adolescent patients [referred to as off-label use or prescribing] is common and consistent with general clinical practice. Atypical antipsychotics, however, are not approved by the FDA for the treatment of depression in children and adolescents and are not considered appropriate for first-line treatment. As generally used, tricyclic antidepressants [e.g. imipramine, amitriptyline] have not been shown to be effective for pediatric depression and they should not be used as the first treatment. About 60 percent of children and adolescents will respond to initial treatment with medication. Of those who don’t, a significant number will respond to another medication and/or to the addition of a form of psychotherapy called cognitive behavioral therapy…

I think this time, I was reading as a doctor. For the last four or five years, I’ve seen adolescents at a clinic where I volunteer. So when I read this stuff, I now see specific faces instead of just graphs and tables. I don’t personally have any question that the SSRIs can cause Akathisia with aggressive thinking and suicidality. I’ve seen several cases. It usually occurs fairly quickly [days] and it’s easily recognized as it’s out of character for the patient – not part of the depression that brought them. Very real. So I don’t read these studies to see if it happens. I know it happens, and can put names on the cases. This time, I think I was reading about efficacy. "About 60 percent of children and adolescents will respond to initial treatment with medication" can’t possibly be right. Inconceivable, at least not where I am. In all of that, I read two things I found useful. First:
Clinical Response and Risk for Reported Suicidal Ideation and Suicide Attempts in Pediatric Antidepressant Treatment
A Meta-analysis of Randomized Controlled Trials
by Jeffrey A. Bridge, Satish Iyengar, Cheryl B. Salary, Rémy P. Barbe, Boris Birmaher, Harold Alan Pincus, Lulu Ren, David A. Brent
Journal of the American Medical Association. 2007 297:1683-1696.
[full text on-line]

Context: The US Food and Drug Administration [FDA] has issued warnings that use of antidepressant medications poses a small but significantly increased risk of suicidal ideation/suicide attempt for children and adolescents.
Objective: To assess the efficacy and risk of reported suicidal ideation/suicide attempt of antidepressants for treatment of pediatric major depressive disorder [MDD], obsessive-compulsive disorder [OCD], and non-OCD anxiety disorders…
Data Synthesis: Twenty-seven trials of pediatric MDD [n = 15], OCD [n = 6], and non-OCD anxiety disorders [n = 6] were selected, and risk differences for response and for suicidal ideation/suicide attempt estimated by random-effects methods. Pooled risk differences in rates of primary study-defined measures of responder status significantly favored antidepressants for MDD [11.0%; [95% confidence interval {CI}, 7.1% to 14.9%]], OCD [19.8% [95% CI, 13.0% to 26.6%], and non-OCD anxiety disorders [37.1% [22.5% to 51.7%]], corresponding to a number needed to treat [NNT] of 10 [95% CI, 7 to 15], 6 [4 to 8], and 3 [2 to 5], respectively. While there was increased risk difference of suicidal ideation/suicide attempt across all trials and indications for drug vs placebo [0.7%; 95% CI, 0.1% to 1.3%] [number needed to harm, 143 [95% CI, 77 to 1000]], the pooled risk differences within each indication were not statistically significant: 0.9% [95% CI, −0.1% to 1.9%] for MDD, 0.5% [−1.2% to 2.2%] for OCD, and 0.7% [−0.4% to 1.8%] for non-OCD anxiety disorders. There were no completed suicides. Age-stratified analyses showed that for children younger than 12 years with MDD, only fluoxetine showed benefit over placebo. In MDD trials, efficacy was moderated by age, duration of depression, and number of sites in the treatment trial.
Conclusions: Relative to placebo, antidepressants are efficacious for pediatric MDD, OCD, and non-OCD anxiety disorders, although the effects are strongest in non-OCD anxiety disorders, intermediate in OCD, and more modest in MDD. Benefits of antidepressants appear to be much greater than risks from suicidal ideation/suicide attempt across indications, although comparison of benefit to risk varies as a function of indication, age, chronicity, and study conditions.
Interestingly, this meta-analysis found pretty much the same thing with suicidality as the FDA meta-analysis [Hammad], just reached different conclusions. That’s not the reason I posted this abstract.
Similar to the FDA’s analysis, we found an overall increased risk of suicidal ideation/suicide attempt associated with antidepressant treatment. Our pooled estimates of risk differences are smaller than those from the FDA report, because we used random-effects rather than fixed-effects models for combining studies and also because we included 7 additional studies not covered in the FDA report. When we reanalyzed the data using fixed-effects models, our results were more similar to those of Hammad.
It was this:
Relative to placebo, antidepressants are efficacious for pediatric MDD, OCD, and non-OCD anxiety disorders, although the effects are strongest in non-OCD anxiety disorders, intermediate in OCD, and more modest in MDD.
I actually believe that. Thinking back, I think of SSRIs in adolescents that way – at times useful in Anxiety Disorders and OCD. Depression, not so much. But the most enlightening thing I read is what I put at the beginning of this post. Here it is again:
"None of the 10 measures relying on patient reported or parent reported outcomes showed significant advantage for an antidepressant, so that claims for effectiveness were based entirely on ratings by doctors."
At its core, Depression is subjective. Our DSM criteria focus on objective findings when possible, as do many of our rating scale items, but Depression is primarily a felt emotion from the point of view of the patients. They seek treatment because of how they feel. And neither the adolescents nor their parents can tell improvement over placebos? So what are we treating? Rating Scales or kids?  Jureidini et al make an excellent point…
  1.  
    Bernard Carroll
    September 14, 2012 | 3:14 PM
     

    AACAP here puts forth the Pollyanna position, with gauzy generalities about high benefit (60% response rate) and low risk. The data reported by Bridge et al in JAMA 2007 actually say that 61% of drug treated patients and 50% of placebo treated patients responded. Thus, the drug-attributable response rate was 11% and the Number Needed to Treat for response was 9 (Bridge et al said 10).

    So, here is what AACAP could have said to parents: use of antidepressant drugs in adolescents with depression results in modest benefit. For every 10 patients who improve, 9 of these would improve anyway without the drugs.

  2.  
    September 14, 2012 | 3:58 PM
     

    Thanks,

    I do prescribe antidepressants to depressed adolescents at times, and I’ve been trying to keep an eye on when and why. Also, I only see the kids if asked by one of the counsellor/therapists at the clinic, and I’ve tried to look at why they send who they send when they send them. Lots of times, it’s for a psychotherapy consult – they know they’re missing something and hope maybe I can figure it out. But sometimes, it’s because they think the patient might need meds.

    The depressed adolescents in this neck of the woods have reasons to be depressed – something not right in their lives, usually their home lives. Here in Medicaid Appalachia, many have parents who, like them, had to grow up too fast and are still kids themselves – don’t know how to be parents. That’s what our therapist/counselors/teachers/court officers often do. The concept of MDD, as in depression as a disease, doesn’t seem operative in our rural area in adolescents.

    As best I can tell, they send the kids to be evaluated for meds when they’re too depressed to think or engage in treatment. I think that’s when I try medications too. I give those kids what I call in my mind the david-healy-warning-about-akathisia-speech, tell them that the drugs might help some, but won’t fix them, and often it works out, maybe even a bit more than mentioned above [but certainly nothing like 60%!]. If it doesn’t work, the kids seem appreciative for the try.

    Next one I see, I’m going to add the bernard-carroll-modest-benefit-NNT line to the david-healy-warning-about-akathisia-speech. It’s a good way to say it. I find that kids and parents like the truth…

  3.  
    September 15, 2012 | 5:17 PM
     

    I’ve got a better idea.

    Why not stop prescribing antidepressants to adolescents altogether?
    Why not help those who’ve been prescribed these drugs safely get *off* of them?

    Oops.
    Sue me,

    Duane

  4.  
    September 15, 2012 | 5:21 PM
     

    Mickey,

    Whether it’s your site, or Steve Balt’s, or David Allen’s…
    You docs iike to portray yourselves as reformers.

    Yet, you practice what you criticize,

    It makes no sense.
    It’s a *disconnect*.

    Duane

  5.  
    September 15, 2012 | 10:49 PM
     

    RE: Antidepressants and why they should *not* be prescribed to adolescents

    http://www.madinamerica.com/2012/09/things-your-doctor-should-tell-you-about-antidepressants/

    Duane

  6.  
    September 16, 2012 | 4:11 PM
     

    And they should *not* be prescribed to elderly folks either (see link above).

    Why is it that non-medical folks are doing the work you doctors should be doing – informing others of the risks involved in taking these drugs?!

    It seems obvious that psychiatry has been remiss… To say the least!

    Duane

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